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info on {quv HIja'chuqQo'}: it's an error
by De'vID 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

The following is a snippet from my discussion with Dr. Okrand about the paq'batlh. The quoted text is me, and the reply is his. > On p.156-157, there is this sentence: > > {quv HIja'chuqQo'} > > "Don't speak to me of honor!" > > > > According to TKD 6.2.4 (p.65), "The verb is made up of {ja'} /tell/, > {-chuq} /each other/; thus, /confer/ is /tell each other./" However, in TKD > 4.2.1 (p.36), it's stated of {-chuq} that "The prefix set indicating 'no > object' is used when this suffix is used." > > > > The imperative prefix {HI-} indicates an object ("me"). But if a prefix > indicating "no object" is used, then {quv} has no grammatical role and is > just left hanging in the sentence. > > > > What's going on here? Has {ja'chuq} become a lexicalised verb meaning > "discuss", which makes it possible to use with a prefix like {HI-}? Even > so, the prefix is apparently incompatible with the object. Is this an > example of the "prefix trick", on top of {ja'chuq} being a lexicalised > verb? That is, if the sentence had been {quv HIjatlhQo'}, it could've been > a shorthand for {jIHvaD quv yIjatlhQo'}. > > > > There's something strange that's going on with this sentence that I > think requires clarification. > > >>> I think rather than clarification it requires revision. I think the > verb {ja'chuq}, glossed in TKD as "discuss, confer," was used > inappropriately here. The "discuss" that {ja'chuq} is used for is when > there are two (or more) people talking to each other, a back-and-forth > conversation. In the sentence in the paq'batlh, no discussion of this kind > is going on. Molor is just telling Kahless not to do something; Kahless > doesn't come back with a counterargument. Since there's no discussing (or > conferring) going on, {ja'chuq} is the wrong verb. > I can confirm this sentence is an error and will be changed in the 2nd edition. -- De'vID

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Is anyone from the KLI interested in contributing to the paq'batlh 2ed?
by De'vID 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

The editors have asked me to relay to the KLI that they would like someone to write "a text concerning the paq'batlh and its place in Klingon literature" to put in the introductory section of the second edition. I sent a message to Dr. Schoen a while back but haven't heard anything, so if anyone else would like to do this, please let me know by email. -- De'vID

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Klingon Word of the Day: rI'Se'
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, October 14, 2020 Klingon word: rI'Se' Part of speech: noun Definition: hailing frequency Source: ADD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: 'enteD
by Klingon Word of the Day 14 Oct '20

14 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, October 08, 2020 Klingon word: 'enteD Part of speech: noun Definition: drug Source: qep'a' 27 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: ghojmoH
by Klingon Word of the Day 13 Oct '20

13 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, October 13, 2020 Klingon word: ghojmoH Part of speech: verb Definition: teach, instruct Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Explicit pronouns again
by Luis Chaparro Caballero 13 Oct '20

13 Oct '20

Hi, I asked this question a couple of days ago, sorry for asking again. I understood that explicit pronouns are used in order to clarify a sentence when it is ambiguous or difficult to understand. If we want to add some emphasis, we can use the pronoun with the suffix *-'e'*. But in the Duolingo course notes about pronouns and also at the Klingon Wiki (http://klingon.wiki/En/Pronoun) we can read that pronouns can actually be used in order to add some emphasis when the sentence is not ambiguous and therefore pronouns are not required. Now I'm a bit confused. Thank you for your help!

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vaj and meqvammo' difference
by mayqel qunen'oS 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

{vaj} {meqvammo'} bopbogh vay''e' vIyajbe'. vaj = so, then, thus, in that case meqvammo' = because of this reason jIjatlh vIneH: "I was hungry so I ordered a pizza". jIghungpu'; vaj pItSa' vIvunpu' jIghungpu'; meqvammo' pItSa' vIvunpu'. chay' pIm cha' mu'tlheghvam ? ~ Qa'yIn

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Klingon Word of the Day: Saw'
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, October 12, 2020 Klingon word: Saw' Part of speech: verb Definition: have a depth of Source: KGT This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Qoghogh
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Saturday, October 10, 2020 Klingon word: Qoghogh Part of speech: verb Definition: snort Source: qepHom 2018 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Dop
by Klingon Word of the Day 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

Klingon Word of the Day for Sunday, October 11, 2020 Klingon word: Dop Part of speech: verb Definition: be opposite, antithetical, contradictory Source: Email from Lieven 2018-08-01 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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