October 2024 - tlhIngan-Hol

Klingon Word of the Day: SeSor
by Klingon Word of the Day 04 Oct '24

04 Oct '24

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, October 04, 2024 Klingon word: SeSor Part of speech: noun Definition: subject Source: qep'a' 26 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Fw: Aw: Re: "Prefix trick" with third-person verb prefixes
by l.cp＠web.de 04 Oct '24

04 Oct '24

Thank you for clarifying!

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"Prefix trick" with third-person verb prefixes
by l.cp＠web.de 03 Oct '24

03 Oct '24

I was reading the *paq'raD* and I came along with the sentence *loDnI'Daj vavDaj je ja' qeylIS* (*paq'raD* 6, 1), so I checked out again what was published here on June 2022 about the "prefix trick" being used with third-person verb prefixes, and I have some questions. If I'm not mistaken, the "prefix trick" means that the verb prefix refers to the indirect object and not, as usual, to the direct object of the verb, and can *only* be used if there is no other possible interpretation of the prefix that makes sense. If there were any other possible interpretation, that interpretation would apply, not the "prefix trick". 1. *tlhIngan Hol jatlh chaH* cannot be an instance of the "prefix trick" (meaning "They speak Klingon to them") because there is another possible interpretation, i.e. a direct quotation with no object, so no "prefix trick" is being used and the sentence can only mean "They say: 'Klingon language'". Right? 2. However, I don't understand why *Holmey law' lujatlh* couldn't be an instance of the "prefix trick" (I'm referring to De'vID's answer here: http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2022-June/063074.html) There is no other interpretation of the verb prefix which makes sense. It is an usual error to forget *lu-* in informal speech, but not to use it when it isn't required, so its "unexpected" presence would point out to the *prefix trick* in the same way the presence of *qa-* point to it in *paq qanob*. Or am I missing something? 3. We know now that the indirect object can also be explicit when using the "prefix trick" (*loDnI'Daj vavDaj je ja' qeylIS*). Is it possible to have both an explicit direct *and* indirect object with the "prefix trick"? How would it look like? Probably not so: *loDnI'Daj vavDaj je lut ja' qeylIS*, since *loDnI'Daj vavDaj je lut* could be interpreted as a noun-noun construction, ruling out the *prefix trick*. But what about *SoH paq qanob*? (*SoH paq* cannot be a noun-noun construction, right?). 4. *toDuj lutraj quv lutraj je / QoymeH tlhIngan tuqmey / tIja'* (*paq'raD* 6, 4-6): Actually, *tI-* could here refer to *toDuj lutraj quv lutraj je*, making it impossible to interpret it as an instance of the "prefix trick", but in 7-9 (*DaH peHarghchoH / DaH molor yISuvchoH / tIja'*) it is clear that *tI-* refers to *tlhIngan tuqmey* ("prefix trick" in a direct quotation), so the context suggests that the first *tI-* is also an instance of the "prefix trick", doesn't it? And if so, is it right to use *ja'* only with an indirect object when it isn't in a direct quotation? ("Tell them so that the Klingon tribes hear your story of courage and your story of honor"). Thank you for your help!

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Klingon Word of the Day: SIntlher
by Klingon Word of the Day 03 Oct '24

03 Oct '24

Klingon Word of the Day for Thursday, October 03, 2024 Klingon word: SIntlher Part of speech: noun Definition: ancient extinct animal, dinosaur Source: qepHom 2019 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Sumlugh
by Klingon Word of the Day 02 Oct '24

02 Oct '24

Klingon Word of the Day for Wednesday, October 02, 2024 Klingon word: Sumlugh Part of speech: noun Definition: definition Source: qep'a' 29 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: nItlh
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Oct '24

01 Oct '24

Klingon Word of the Day for Tuesday, October 01, 2024 Klingon word: nItlh Part of speech: noun Definition: finger Source: TKD This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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Klingon Word of the Day: Do qaD
by Klingon Word of the Day 01 Oct '24

01 Oct '24

Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, September 27, 2024 Klingon word: Do qaD Part of speech: noun Definition: race (contest of speed) Source: qepHom 2018 This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh(a)kli.org)

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