No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting. paq'raD 14:19-21 may' lunungbogh repmey'e' qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je QImSIr
Does Klingon language allow bahuvrihi compounds? See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahuvrihi For example. {paq batlh} would be expected to mean "the honor of the book", not "the book of honor". If Klingon allows bahuvrihis, it would also mean "he whose book is honorable" or "he whose book is about honor" or similar. Does the intruded apostrophe here mean not a glottal stop but a special pronunciation to give this compound a special meaning? I have been theorizing that some Klingon features with unusual word order are survivals from a long-ago time when Klingon had much freer word order and relationships between words was often decided by now-vanished case endings. For the apparent components of {paQDI'norgh} = "teachings", I get: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ paQ :: not found, but {paq} means "book" DI' :: {DI} means "[litter|rubble|debris]" DI' :: DI' VS9 [as_soon_as|when] DI'on N [characteristic|trait] DI'ruj N reality norgh :: A Klingon animal like a shark (Long ago on this email group, I was told off for using {norgh} to mean an Earth shark when describing adventures in the Red Sea.) ----Original message----
From : wearetheinformation00@gmail.com Date : 05/01/2017 - 01:04 (GMTST) To : tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject : [tlhIngan Hol] Interesting time stamp No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting. paq'raD 14:19-21 may' lunungbogh repmey'e' qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je QImSIr
Indeed. Is it an emphasized time stamp? Is it a topic? Is it both? Notice also the evidence that the object of ja’ is the thing said and not the person it's said to. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: Brian Cote Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:04 PM To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Interesting time stamp No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting. paq'raD 14:19-21 may' lunungbogh repmey'e' qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je QImSIr
Well, more evidence. There are two other examples from the paq’batlh: Qo'noSDaq boqwI'mey nejmeH je leng qeylIS 'ej chaHvaD lut ja' Kahless also went out to search for allies across Kronos, and told them his tale. (paq'raD 7:8) raSDaq toS qeylIS, rewbe'pu' qaD 'ej mu'meyvam ja' Kahless climbs onto the table, turns to the people, and spoke these words. (paq'raD 11:8) --Voragh On Behalf Of sustel@trimboli.name Notice also the evidence that the object of ja’ is the thing said and not the person it's said to. From: Brian Cote<mailto:wearetheinformation00@gmail.com> No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting. paq'raD 14:19-21 may' lunungbogh repmey'e' qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je
Interesting. I should have included the original text. This is what Kotar and Molor Have said to Kahless In the hours before battle. I would have assumed a {qaStaHvIS} construction here. QImSIr On Thursday, January 5, 2017, <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
Indeed. Is it an emphasized time stamp? Is it a topic? Is it both?
Notice also the evidence that the object of *ja’ *is the thing said and not the person it's said to.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
*From: *Brian Cote <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wearetheinformation00@gmail.com');> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:04 PM *To: *tlhingan-hol@kli.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tlhingan-hol@kli.org');> *Subject: *[tlhIngan Hol] Interesting time stamp
No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting.
paq'raD 14:19-21
may' lunungbogh repmey'e'
qeylISvaD mu'meyvam
ja'ta' molor qotar je
QImSIr
There’s a similar use of {nungbogh} in the confusing “Message to Kronos”: poH tuj bI'reS nungbogh wa' jaj qeylIS DIS chorghvatlh loSmaH jav qaStaHvIS. [sic] In the days that follow the summer solstice in the Year of Kahless 846. ('U'-MTK) There’s a usage note from qep’a’ 2015 which may be relevant: When asked about navigating lists or events, [Maltz] gave us {vorgh} “be previous” (opposite of {veb} “be next)”. Can also use {nungbogh} ({nung” “precede”) … {vorgh} was used in the NASM tour (North American X-15): muDDaq neH muD Dujmey vorgh lu'orlu', 'ach loghDaq puvlaH Dujmey 'orbogh nuv 'e' 'agh X-wa'maH vagh. -- Voragh On Behalf Of Brian Cote Interesting. I should have included the original text. This is what Kotar and Molor Have said to Kahless In the hours before battle. I would have assumed a {qaStaHvIS} construction here. On Thursday, January 5, 2017, <sustel@trimboli.name<mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote: Indeed. Is it an emphasized time stamp? Is it a topic? Is it both? From: Brian Cote<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wearetheinformation00@gmail.com');> No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting. paq'raD 14:19-21 may' lunungbogh repmey'e' qeylISvaD mu'meyvam ja'ta' molor qotar je
This still makes sense. If it is a time stamp, saying *may' lunungbogh repmey**'e'* is identifying which hours are the time context of the main action (the telling). This is still of the point-to-it-on-a-timeline variety. You /could/ use *qaStaHvIS,* but that probably wouldn't have met the constraints of the poetic form. On 1/5/2017 12:38 PM, Brian Cote wrote:
Interesting.
I should have included the original text.
This is what Kotar and Molor Have said to Kahless In the hours before battle.
I would have assumed a {qaStaHvIS} construction here.
QImSIr
On Thursday, January 5, 2017, <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
Indeed. Is it an emphasized time stamp? Is it a topic? Is it both?
Notice also the evidence that the object of *ja’ *is the thing said and not the person it's said to.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
*From: *Brian Cote <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wearetheinformation00@gmail.com');> *Sent: *Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:04 PM *To: *tlhingan-hol@kli.org <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tlhingan-hol@kli.org');> *Subject: *[tlhIngan Hol] Interesting time stamp
No big question here, but I came across this time stamp in the paq'batlh and found it very interesting.
paq'raD 14:19-21
may' lunungbogh repmey'e'
qeylISvaD mu'meyvam
ja'ta' molor qotar je
QImSIr
_______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
participants (5)
-
Anthony Appleyard -
Brian Cote -
Steven Boozer -
SuStel -
sustel＠trimboli.name