The verb {Haw'} is defined as "flee, get out". Now read the relevant definitions of "flee", from the marrion-webster. a : to run away often from danger or evil. b : to hurry toward a place of security. And now, I ask.. Does the {Haw'} *have* to always have the sense of "getting out in a hurry" ? Can't I use it, to mean the "simple/relaxed/casual" getting out from a place ? Because, if the only meaning it can have, is the *getting out in a hurry", then how the frack, do I express the "getting out of" of the simple kind ? ~ mhhmhm
On 7/10/2019 9:37 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
The verb {Haw'} is defined as "flee, get out".
Now read the relevant definitions of "flee", from the marrion-webster.
a : to run away often from danger or evil.
b : to hurry toward a place of security.
And now, I ask..
Does the {Haw'} *have* to always have the sense of "getting out in a hurry" ? Can't I use it, to mean the "simple/relaxed/casual" getting out from a place ?
Because, if the only meaning it can have, is the *getting out in a hurry", then how the frack, do I express the "getting out of" of the simple kind ?
*Haw'* does have a sense of urgency to it, though exactly how quickly you flee can vary. If you want to get out casually, you can *mej* or *DoH.* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Can I use {'elHa'}, if I'm talking about getting out of a place/location I've already entered ? ~ jvjvvj
On 7/10/2019 9:59 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Can I use {'elHa'}, if I'm talking about getting out of a place/location I've already entered ?
Sure, why not? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
ok, thanks.. however, being on the subject.. One can {'el} a house; but could he {'el} a {Deb Daq} (the location of a desert) ? Is the {'el} only to be used, for {'el}ing enclosed places ? ~ hkgkkg
On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:10 AM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
ok, thanks..
however, being on the subject..
One can {'el} a house; but could he {'el} a {Deb Daq} (the location of a desert) ?
Is the {'el} only to be used, for {'el}ing enclosed places ?
Klingon Monopoly has *neHmaH Da'el net tu'* *Caught breaching the Neutral Zone*. The Neutral Zone has boundaries, but they're not walls or closed-in areas. So presumably you can use *'el* with something that's not enclosed. *Deb 'el* *enter a desert* seems fine to me.
More examples: mIch 'elpu' jay' They've entered the @#$% sector! (TKD) Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veH tIn wI'el maH'e' that course will take us into the [Great] Barrier as well! (ST5) ghe'tor 'el qeylIS Kahless enters Gre'thor (PB) ghe'tor vegh Duj Suto'vo'qor lojmItmey 'el Duj The barge went through Gre'thor Into the gates of Sto-vo-kor (PB) vavlI' loDnI'lI' je DaSammeH ghe'tor Da'elmo' 'ej Damejmo' QeHchoH qa'pu' vaj lubIjlu' They will pay for the anger You caused by entering and leaving, Gre'thor in search of your kin. (PB) QaQ qeylIS Duj ghe'tor 'elmeH yapbe' may' 'e' Sovchu' Kahless knows by instinct A fight will not suffice To enter the land of the dead. (PB) ghe'tor Da'elta' 'ej lojmItmeyvo' Damejta' 'ach bIrIQbe'mo' SoH neH Since you are the only one Who ever entered Gre'thor, And left the gates unharmed (PB) veng ‘elDI’ ghaH pawpa’ ghaH’e’ paw lutDaj ‘e’ Sov qeylIS Upon entering the city, Kahless knows his tale Has preceded him. (PB) and possibly: tlhIngan wo' Daq'a' bo'elpu' You have entered the jurisdiction of the Klingon Empire. (ST11 deleted line?) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of nIqolay Q On Wed, Jul 10, 2019 at 10:10 AM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> wrote: One can {'el} a house; but could he {'el} a {Deb Daq} (the location of a desert) ? Is the {'el} only to be used, for {'el}ing enclosed places ? Klingon Monopoly has neHmaH Da'el net tu' Caught breaching the Neutral Zone. The Neutral Zone has boundaries, but they're not walls or closed-in areas. So presumably you can use 'el with something that's not enclosed. Deb 'el enter a desert seems fine to me.
On Jul 10, 2019, at 10:10 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Is the {'el} only to be used, for {'el}ing enclosed places ?
From the script of Star Trek V: “But, Captain, that course will take *us* into the Barrier as well.” {'ach, HoD, Hevetlh wIghoSchugh veHtIn wI'el maH'e'.} -- ghunchu'wI'
Here’s what I have on {Haw’}: ghorgh Haw'pu' yaS When did the officer flee? TKD qatlh Haw'pu' yaS Why did the officer flee? TKD Haw'pu' yaS 'ar How many officers fled? TKD chay' Haw'pu' yaS How did the officer flee? TKD [OK, these examples aren’t very helpful.] may'meyDajvo' Haw'be' tlhIngan A Klingon does not run away from his battles. TKW yerchajvo' Haw' qamchIynganpu' ngIq nuv luHoH The people of Qam-Chee, They fled their territory, And were killed one by one. (PB) moratlh DaH bIHaw'laHtaHbe' puj 'uSDu'lIj Now, Morath, You can run no more, Your legs are weak. (PB) These last three are better. Okrand translates “run away” with {Haw’} twice, so running or being in a hurry seems part of the meaning, as in someone fleeing for their lives. For other types of getting out we have: mej leave, depart (v) tlheD depart (v) qeD vacate (v) DoH back away from, back off, get away from (v) HeD retreat, withdraw [military term] (v) jun take evasive action (v) nargh escape (v) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons From: mayqel qunen'oS The verb {Haw'} is defined as "flee, get out". Now read the relevant definitions of "flee", from the marrion-webster. a : to run away often from danger or evil. b : to hurry toward a place of security. And now, I ask.. Does the {Haw'} *have* to always have the sense of "getting out in a hurry" ? Can't I use it, to mean the "simple/relaxed/casual" getting out from a place ? Because, if the only meaning it can have, is the *getting out in a hurry", then how the frack, do I express the "getting out of" of the simple kind ?
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 at 17:51, Jeremy Silver <jp.silver@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
On Wednesday, 10 July 2019 15:13:20 BST Steven Boozer wrote:
mej leave, depart (v) tlheD depart (v)
On a similar vein, do we know if there is a difference between {mej} and {tlheD} in their usage?
Answered at qepHom'a' 2019: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepHom2019 "The difference between mej "leave" and tlheD "depart" is that tlheD implies setting out on a journey, having a goal or destination in mind, while mej refers simply to leaving one's current location. In both cases, the object is the place you're departing/leaving from." -- De'vID
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