the "get out" meaning of {lel}
The verb {lel} is given as "get out, take out". As far as the "take out" meaning, things are pretty straightforward: {'unwatDajvo' vIghro' tIQ vIlel} I take the ancient cat out of its' basket But what I can't understand, is how its' "get out" meaning is to be used. Could we say for instance {pa'vo' jIlel} for "I get out of the room" ? ~ bara'qa'
On 11/13/2019 8:50 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
The verb {lel} is given as "get out, take out".
As far as the "take out" meaning, things are pretty straightforward:
{'unwatDajvo' vIghro' tIQ vIlel} I take the ancient cat out of its' basket
But what I can't understand, is how its' "get out" meaning is to be used.
Could we say for instance {pa'vo' jIlel} for "I get out of the room" ?
In English, /get out/ can be used transitively. When used that way, it means the same thing as /take out./ /I get out my pocket watch and show it to the child. /*buq tlhaqwIj vIlel 'ej puqvaD vI'agh.* Using /get out/ this way in English is less formal than /take out./ English teachers might balk at it and want you to change it to /take out./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 at 14:50, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
The verb {lel} is given as "get out, take out".
As far as the "take out" meaning, things are pretty straightforward:
{'unwatDajvo' vIghro' tIQ vIlel} I take the ancient cat out of its' basket
The one canon example we have is {tIqDu' lel} "[Kahless] removed the [i.e., Molor's] hearts". So the subject is taking or getting the object out of something. (Presumably that something would take the {-vo'} suffix, but there's no evidence for this.)
But what I can't understand, is how its' "get out" meaning is to be used.
Could we say for instance {pa'vo' jIlel} for "I get out of the room" ?
Note these two adjacent entries in TKD: get out, flee (v) {Haw'} get out, take out (v) {lel} The "get out of the room" sense is {Haw'} (though it implies some urgency). -- De'vID
SuStel:
In English, get out can be used transitively. When used that way, it means the same thing as take out. I get out my pocket watch and show it to the child. buq tlhaqwIj vIlel 'ej puqvaD vI'agh.
hmm.. This is very interesting. I had no idea that the "get out" could be used this way too. De'vID:
Note these two adjacent entries in TKD: get out, flee (v) {Haw'} get out, take out (v) {lel}
While I was wondering about the "get out" meaning of {lel}, the {Haw'} came to my mind, and momentarily I wondered what would the difference be, between {lel} and {Haw'}. Anyway, now I understand. Thanks. - bara'qa'
The phrase {tIqDu' lel} was used at least three times in paq’batlh: ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel In one single move, he removed the hearts. PB HughlIj 'uch qeylIS / DaH rolIjvo' tIqDu'lIj lellaH Kahless grips you by the throat, He could rip your hearts out at will (PB) molor cha' tIqDu' DuQchu' qeylIS ‘ej lel Before Kahless struck his bat'leth Right into Molor’s hearts, ripping them out. PB But there is another use of {lel}: DaqtaghlIj yIlel qeylIS Kahless, pull your d'k tahg (PB) Note that we also have a new verb from qep’a’ 2016: {QIq} “draw, pull out (weapon, tool, instrument)” – presumably from a holster, sheath, tool belt, etc. - but no example sentences were provided AFAIK. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of De'vID On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 at 14:50, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> wrote: The verb {lel} is given as "get out, take out". As far as the "take out" meaning, things are pretty straightforward: {'unwatDajvo' vIghro' tIQ vIlel} I take the ancient cat out of its' basket The one canon example we have is {tIqDu' lel} "[Kahless] removed the [i.e., Molor's] hearts". So the subject is taking or getting the object out of something. (Presumably that something would take the {-vo'} suffix, but there's no evidence for this.)
On Wed, 13 Nov 2019 at 15:39, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
The phrase {tIqDu' lel} was used at least three times in paq’batlh:
ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel
In one single move, he removed the hearts. PB
HughlIj 'uch qeylIS / DaH rolIjvo' tIqDu'lIj lellaH
Kahless grips you by the throat, He could rip your hearts out at will (PB)
molor cha' tIqDu' DuQchu' qeylIS ‘ej lel
Before Kahless struck his bat'leth Right into Molor’s hearts, ripping them out. PB
The first and third of those sentences are actually adjacent and should probably be considered one example (p.168-9): tugh qaStaHvIS rep wejDIch molor cha' tIqDu' DuQchu' qeylIS 'ej lel ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej tIqDu' lel ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej quvqa' ngIq tonSaw' lo' 'ej rIn may' It was not long, by the third hour, Before Kahless struck his bat'leth Right into Molor’s hearts, ripping them out. In one single move, he removed the hearts, In one single move, he restored his honor, In one single move, the battle was done.
But there is another use of {lel}:
DaqtaghlIj yIlel qeylIS
Kahless, pull your d'k tahg (PB)
-- De'vID
In English one could also say”I get the Ancient Cat out of the basket.” Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 13, 2019, at 08:50, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
The verb {lel} is given as "get out, take out".
As far as the "take out" meaning, things are pretty straightforward:
{'unwatDajvo' vIghro' tIQ vIlel} I take the ancient cat out of its' basket
But what I can't understand, is how its' "get out" meaning is to be used.
Could we say for instance {pa'vo' jIlel} for "I get out of the room" ?
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