Re: [tlhIngan Hol] missing words from kli's "new words not in the original lexicon"
Am 29.10.2019 um 19:06 schrieb De'vID:
> I don't think *{pItlhbe'} belongs in a dictionary or word list, even > though Okrand did say it, because he was obviously joking.
I wrote:
PS: There's also the addition to {jIr} (ladeeda) where he said "don't write it down, it's wrong", but some people did anyway.
De'vID asked me off-list, what the mistake might be, so I thought I'd send this answer publically, as it seems important for all of us. The KLI new words list writes for the exclamation {jIr}: "When the word was first encountered it was accompanied by a gesture of pointing upward and moving the hand in a circular motion, but Marc Okrand made clear that the gesture is not an integral part of the exclamation." I'd like to add even more precise: Marc Okrand said: "No, forget about that. Don't write that down." So again, what he meant was: "DON'T! Write. That. Down!" I have had that discussion many years ago, and repeat it now. He clearly told us to ignore it, and it should have never gone even outside of that building we were at. So it's my request that this note is removed from the new words list because it's basically non-existant. (It's like saying "When okrand send me that word, he had a typo in his email, but I'm sure that thlIgnan is not a new word") -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On 10/30/2019 3:40 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
I'd like to add even more precise: Marc Okrand said: "No, forget about that. Don't write that down."
(It's like saying "When okrand send me that word, he had a typo in his email, but I'm sure that thlIgnan is not a new word")
Follow the gourd! No! Let us gather shoes together! No, no! It is a sign that, like Him, we must think not of the things of the body, but of the face and head! It is a shoe! It's a sandal! -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 08:40, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
I'd like to add even more precise: Marc Okrand said: "No, forget about that. Don't write that down."
So again, what he meant was: "DON'T! Write. That. Down!"
I have had that discussion many years ago, and repeat it now. He clearly told us to ignore it, and it should have never gone even outside of that building we were at.
So it's my request that this note is removed from the new words list because it's basically non-existant.
As someone who is trying to keep a record (in the {boQwI'} database) of every bit of info revealed about the Klingon language, I can understand that some people want to record even things which are retracted, along with the retraction. If it's just for the purpose of having an accurate historical record, that's fine (and may be helpful to settle any confusion later). The problem is if the retracted info is spread around without the retraction accompanying it. For something like the KLI new Klingon words list which sees much wider usage than just by experts, it's probably better to leave off the retracted info to begin with: https://www.kli.org/about-klingon/new-klingon-words/j/ [the entry for {jIr} has retracted info] (It's like saying "When okrand send me that word, he had a typo in his
email, but I'm sure that thlIgnan is not a new word")
It did actually happen to me once that Okrand sent me a message which he asked me to pass along and which had a typo, which was soon followed by a correction. I edited the message per his correction before I forwarded it. Now, that would be the end of it, except that I messed up the correction. Here's what happened: his original message said {mey'egh X Y je}. Then he realised his error and wrote that he meant {-chuq} instead of {-'egh}, so I made the change, except I clumsily didn't delete the {qaghwI'}. So if you absolutely must record Okrand's words verbatim, as if he's a prophet or something, you can note that his message here was edited: http://lists.kli.org/pipermail/tlhingan-hol-kli.org/2019-January/009485.html -- De'vID
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