In space all warriors are cold warriors
At the risk of bringing down upon me the wrath of the Ca'non master, I have to say that I disagree with the canon sentence : {loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}. When we say "cold warrior", I don't think that the actual meaning is "ready to fight" ; it is rather "ready to destroy without holding back or feeling remorse, perhaps bordering on the ruthless" May the Ca'non master forgive me, but I believe this would be better : {loghDaq SuvwI'pu' wIH chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}. mop Hurgh qunnoq
On 4 July 2016 at 10:20, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
At the risk of bringing down upon me the wrath of the Ca'non master, I have to say that I disagree with the canon sentence :
{loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}.
When we say "cold warrior", I don't think that the actual meaning is "ready to fight" ; it is rather "ready to destroy without holding back or feeling remorse, perhaps bordering on the ruthless"
The English idiom "cold war" refers to a state of hostilities in which no (or very little) actual fighting takes place or has yet taken place. Thus, a "cold warrior" is indeed a warrior who is prepared to fight. -- De'vID
indeed.. but there is a difference between "cold war" and "cold warrior". On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:22 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4 July 2016 at 10:20, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
At the risk of bringing down upon me the wrath of the Ca'non master, I have to say that I disagree with the canon sentence :
{loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}.
When we say "cold warrior", I don't think that the actual meaning is "ready to fight" ; it is rather "ready to destroy without holding back or feeling remorse, perhaps bordering on the ruthless"
The English idiom "cold war" refers to a state of hostilities in which no (or very little) actual fighting takes place or has yet taken place. Thus, a "cold warrior" is indeed a warrior who is prepared to fight.
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On 7/4/2016 5:26 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
indeed.. but there is a difference between "cold war" and "cold warrior".
/Star Trek VI/ is largely allegorical for the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union. The Berlin Wall had fallen, Gorbachev had championed perestroika, and the future of the Cold War was uncertain. So, while in isolation a /cold warrior/ might be a warrior who fights without pity or remorse, in the allegorical context of /ST:VI/ General Chang's comment about cold warriors is meant to evoke a warrior of the Cold War.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:22 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4 July 2016 at 10:20, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
At the risk of bringing down upon me the wrath of the Ca'non master, I have to say that I disagree with the canon sentence :
{loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}.
When we say "cold warrior", I don't think that the actual meaning is "ready to fight" ; it is rather "ready to destroy without holding back or feeling remorse, perhaps bordering on the ruthless" The English idiom "cold war" refers to a state of hostilities in which no (or very little) actual fighting takes place or has yet taken place. Thus, a "cold warrior" is indeed a warrior who is prepared to fight.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Star Trek VI is largely allegorical for the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union.
I didn't know that ! In that case, as americans say : "I stand corrected" ! or as greeks say : "I was wrong".. or, as klingons would use a replacement proverb {reH latlh qabDaq qul tuj law' Hoch tuj puS} On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 8:12 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/4/2016 5:26 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
indeed.. but there is a difference between "cold war" and "cold warrior".
Star Trek VI is largely allegorical for the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union. The Berlin Wall had fallen, Gorbachev had championed perestroika, and the future of the Cold War was uncertain. So, while in isolation a cold warrior might be a warrior who fights without pity or remorse, in the allegorical context of ST:VI General Chang's comment about cold warriors is meant to evoke a warrior of the Cold War.
On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 12:22 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
On 4 July 2016 at 10:20, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
At the risk of bringing down upon me the wrath of the Ca'non master, I have to say that I disagree with the canon sentence :
{loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}.
When we say "cold warrior", I don't think that the actual meaning is "ready to fight" ; it is rather "ready to destroy without holding back or feeling remorse, perhaps bordering on the ruthless"
The English idiom "cold war" refers to a state of hostilities in which no (or very little) actual fighting takes place or has yet taken place. Thus, a "cold warrior" is indeed a warrior who is prepared to fight.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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On 7/4/2016 1:25 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Star Trek VI is largely allegorical for the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union. I didn't know that !
In that case, as americans say : "I stand corrected" ! or as greeks say : "I was wrong"..
:D Didja ever notice how "Gorkon" is similar to "Gorbachev"? Not a coincidence... -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Didja ever notice how "Gorkon" is similar to "Gorbachev"? Not a coincidence...
Daj ! Dajqu' ! On Mon, Jul 4, 2016 at 8:35 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/4/2016 1:25 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Star Trek VI is largely allegorical for the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union.
I didn't know that !
In that case, as americans say : "I stand corrected" ! or as greeks say : "I was wrong"..
:D
Didja ever notice how "Gorkon" is similar to "Gorbachev"? Not a coincidence...
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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On Mon, 4 Jul 2016, 19:35 SuStel, <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 7/4/2016 1:25 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Star Trek VI is largely allegorical for the Cold War between the West and the Soviet Union. I didn't know that !
In that case, as americans say : "I stand corrected" ! or as greeks say : "I was wrong"..
:D
Didja ever notice how "Gorkon" is similar to "Gorbachev"? Not a coincidence...
Gorbachev boq Lincoln; chen Gorkon.
-- De'vID
jatlh De'vID:
Gorbachev boq Lincoln; chen Gorkon.
wa' Gorkon chenmoH Lincoln 'ar? The canon sentence seems to have a dangling modifier, loghDaq. Out of context I'd read it, "All warriors are warriors who are ready to fight in space." But as the sentence is formed, {loghDaq} can't go anywhere else. Maybe a pause for emphasis after {loghDaq} would make it clear it's about the entire sentence, not just the relative clause. -- mIp'av yergho bu''a' baHwI' IKAV chuch 'etlh My modeling blog: http://bellerophon-modeler.blogspot.com/ My other modeling blog: http://bellerophon.blog.com/
mayqel qunenoS:
At the risk of bringing down upon me the wrath of the Ca'non master, I have to say that I disagree with the canon sentence : {loghDaq Suvrupbogh SuvwI'pu' chaH Hoch SuvwI'pu''e'}.
When we say "cold warrior", I don't think that the actual meaning is "ready to fight" ; it is rather "ready to destroy without holding back or feeling remorse, perhaps bordering on the ruthless"
De'vID:
The English idiom "cold war" refers to a state of hostilities in which no (or very little) actual fighting takes place or has yet taken place. Thus, a "cold warrior" is indeed a warrior who is prepared to fight.
I think qunnoQ has confused "Cold War" with "in cold blood/cold-blooded". The second idiom does indeed mean ruthless {wIH}. Thus one can say that someone is a cold-blooded Cold Warrior. -- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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