If you wanted to say "you've betrayed me, and you expect me to behave as if nothing happened ?", how would you say it ? The best option I can think of, is perhaps something like {chomaghta'; 'e' vIlIj, 'e' DapIH, jIvangtaHvIS ?} But I can't say, that I like stringing together two {'e'}s. Does someone have a better idea ? ~mayqel *I love maltz* qunen'oS
You can probably lose one of the {'e'}s. {chomaghta'. vIlIj 'e' DapIH'a'...} It's not unheard of to have an unstated third-person object that refers to the situation in general. "You betrayed me. Do you expect me to forget it?" (Don't forget the {-'a'} if you're writing a question.) You might also find a way to use {ghet} "pretend" to get across the notion of "behave as if something were true". {chomaghta'. qaS pagh 'e' vIghet DaneH'a'?} "You betrayed me. Do you want me to pretend nothing happened?" (This also removes an {'e'} by using the one verb that doesn't take it.) There's also the time-honored tradition of appealing to Klingon cultural mores as a reason to rephrase it entirely and remove the question. {chomaghta'. qaS pagh 'e' vIghetQo'.} "You betrayed me. I won't pretend that nothing happened." There's a line {naDev qaS wanI' ramqu'} from Star Trek III and TKD, translated as "There's nothing happening here" but literally "Very insignificant events happen here." So perhaps a better idiom for "nothing happened" is something like {ramqu' wanI'}. {chomaghta'. ramqu' wanI' 'e' vIghet DaneH'a'?} "You betrayed me. Do you want me to pretend the event was utterly insignificant?" Also, stringing together two {'e'}s is probably fine as long as the sentences aren't very complicated otherwise. (It'd probably still be grammatical even if the sentences were complicated, but then it'd be hard to read.) I can't recall any instances in canon, though. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:02 AM mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
If you wanted to say "you've betrayed me, and you expect me to behave as if nothing happened ?", how would you say it ?
The best option I can think of, is perhaps something like {chomaghta'; 'e' vIlIj, 'e' DapIH, jIvangtaHvIS ?}
But I can't say, that I like stringing together two {'e'}s.
Does someone have a better idea ?
~mayqel *I love maltz* qunen'oS _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Or you could use {neH} which doesn’t require {‘e’} as its object: { ‘e’ vIlIj DaneH'a'? } Or you could replace the first {‘e’} with a noun: { chomaghta' ‘ej ta’lIj / ta’vam vIlIj ‘e’ DapIH'a'? } I also like that the verb suffix {-ta’} is echoed by the noun {ta’}. --Voragh From: nIqolay Q Sent: Friday, February 15, 2019 10:47 AM You can probably lose one of the {'e'}s. {chomaghta'. vIlIj 'e' DapIH'a'...} It's not unheard of to have an unstated third-person object that refers to the situation in general. "You betrayed me. Do you expect me to forget it?" (Don't forget the {-'a'} if you're writing a question.) You might also find a way to use {ghet} "pretend" to get across the notion of "behave as if something were true". {chomaghta'. qaS pagh 'e' vIghet DaneH'a'?} "You betrayed me. Do you want me to pretend nothing happened?" (This also removes an {'e'} by using the one verb that doesn't take it.) There's also the time-honored tradition of appealing to Klingon cultural mores as a reason to rephrase it entirely and remove the question. {chomaghta'. qaS pagh 'e' vIghetQo'.} "You betrayed me. I won't pretend that nothing happened." There's a line {naDev qaS wanI' ramqu'} from Star Trek III and TKD, translated as "There's nothing happening here" but literally "Very insignificant events happen here." So perhaps a better idiom for "nothing happened" is something like {ramqu' wanI'}. {chomaghta'. ramqu' wanI' 'e' vIghet DaneH'a'?} "You betrayed me. Do you want me to pretend the event was utterly insignificant?" Also, stringing together two {'e'}s is probably fine as long as the sentences aren't very complicated otherwise. (It'd probably still be grammatical even if the sentences were complicated, but then it'd be hard to read.) I can't recall any instances in canon, though. On Fri, Feb 15, 2019 at 10:02 AM mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com<mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> wrote: If you wanted to say "you've betrayed me, and you expect me to behave as if nothing happened ?", how would you say it ? The best option I can think of, is perhaps something like {chomaghta'; 'e' vIlIj, 'e' DapIH, jIvangtaHvIS ?} But I can't say, that I like stringing together two {'e'}s. Does someone have a better idea ? ~mayqel *I love maltz* qunen'oS
On 2/15/2019 12:04 PM, Steven Boozer wrote:
Or you could replace the first {‘e’} with a noun: { chomaghta' ‘ej ta’lIj / ta’vam vIlIj ‘e’ DapIH'a'? } I also like that the verb suffix {-ta’} is echoed by the noun {ta’}.
*maghta'ghachlIj vIlIj 'e' DapIH'a'?* You just lose the "of me" part of the betrayal. Presumably it would be understood in context. If not, you could put the *chomaghta'* as a separate sentence first. There is no rule barring multiply connected sentences-as-objects, but there's no evidence for them either. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
All the suggestions offered so far are good. Here’s another: nuv Damaghta'be’bogh vIDa ‘e’ DapIHlaw’. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Feb 15, 2019, at 10:02 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
If you wanted to say "you've betrayed me, and you expect me to behave as if nothing happened ?", how would you say it ?
The best option I can think of, is perhaps something like {chomaghta'; 'e' vIlIj, 'e' DapIH, jIvangtaHvIS ?}
But I can't say, that I like stringing together two {'e'}s.
Does someone have a better idea ?
~mayqel *I love maltz* qunen'oS _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
I forgot to include body language. Assume the speaker is in close proximity to the person addressed, shoulders squared and weapon drawn. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Feb 15, 2019, at 3:08 PM, Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
All the suggestions offered so far are good. Here’s another:
nuv Damaghta'be’bogh vIDa ‘e’ DapIHlaw’.
charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan
rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Feb 15, 2019, at 10:02 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com <mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com>> wrote:
If you wanted to say "you've betrayed me, and you expect me to behave as if nothing happened ?", how would you say it ?
The best option I can think of, is perhaps something like {chomaghta'; 'e' vIlIj, 'e' DapIH, jIvangtaHvIS ?}
But I can't say, that I like stringing together two {'e'}s.
Does someone have a better idea ?
~mayqel *I love maltz* qunen'oS _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org> http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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