Hovtay’ HurDaq rav vaghSaD yuQ woq NASA
FYI: “NASA confirms more than 5,000 planets outside the solar system“ https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/03/22/NASA-exoplanets-planets-5000/963... [Can anyone think of a better way to say “at least 5,000”?] -- Voragh, Ca'Non Master of the Klingons Please contribute relevant vocabulary or notes from the last year or two. I’ve fallen woefully behind in updating my files.
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 3:51 PM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
FYI: “NASA confirms more than 5,000 planets outside the solar system“
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/03/22/NASA-exoplanets-planets-5000/963...
[Can anyone think of a better way to say “at least 5,000”?]
Hovtay'maj Hur yuQmey woqbogh NASA law' law' vagh SaD law' puS
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 3:51 PM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
FYI: “NASA confirms more than 5,000 planets outside the solar system“
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/03/22/NASA-exoplanets-planets-5000/963...
[Can anyone think of a better way to say “at least 5,000”?]
I know that the canonical example of {rav} and {'aqroS} to specify a range used them both, but I would be extremely surprised if {rav} couldn't be used on its own like this for "at least" (and correspondingly {'aqroS} for "at most"). I suppose if you wanted to adhere to strict canon usage, you could do {rav vaghSaD yuQ 'aqroS 'ejyaH yuQ}.
On Thu., Mar. 24, 2022, 06:40 nIqolay Q, <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 3:51 PM Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
FYI: “NASA confirms more than 5,000 planets outside the solar system“
https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/03/22/NASA-exoplanets-planets-5000/963...
[Can anyone think of a better way to say “at least 5,000”?]
I know that the canonical example of {rav} and {'aqroS} to specify a range used them both, but I would be extremely surprised if {rav} couldn't be used on its own like this for "at least" (and correspondingly {'aqroS} for "at most"). I suppose if you wanted to adhere to strict canon usage, you could do {rav vaghSaD yuQ 'aqroS 'ejyaH yuQ}.
There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum: {Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster) {nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly) -- De'vID
voragh:
Can anyone think of a better way to say “at least 5,000”?
In such cases I usually write: vaghSaD yuQ, latlhmey je five thousand planets and additional Although context needs to have already made clear that the {latlhmey} is about planets and not about some other kind of space crap (comets, asteroids, etc). -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ
That was my thinking too. If I were making a list: yuQ mI’ rav: vaghSaD mI’ rav: vaghSaD yuQ I’m thinking now of changing the word order in my subject heading to: Hovtay’ HurDaq vaghSaD rav yuQ woq NASA Voragh From: tlhIngan-Hol On Behalf Of De'vID On Thu., Mar. 24, 2022, 06:40 nIqolay Q, wrote: On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 3:51 PM Steven Boozer wrote: FYI: “NASA confirms more than 5,000 planets outside the solar system“ https://www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/03/22/NASA-exoplanets-planets-5000/9631647971189/<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.upi.com/Science_News/2022/03/22/NASA-exoplanets-planets-5000/9631647971189/__;!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!pk1YeiKKBJHR2OpQ6K3u9g50DwIiiSm0GkN7VNceOWkwTLSFRxvU9yb_8u0rdersX-w$> [Can anyone think of a better way to say “at least 5,000”?] I know that the canonical example of {rav} and {'aqroS} to specify a range used them both, but I would be extremely surprised if {rav} couldn't be used on its own like this for "at least" (and correspondingly {'aqroS} for "at most"). I suppose if you wanted to adhere to strict canon usage, you could do {rav vaghSaD yuQ 'aqroS 'ejyaH yuQ}. There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum: {Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster) {nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly) -- De'vID
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:33 AM De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum:
{Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster)
{nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly)
I knew about those two, but they're phrased differently than the {rav/'aqroS} construction. The {rav/'aqroS} construction puts the {rav} before the value of the lower bound, and is used in a larger sentence. Those two examples have {rav} at the end of the thing whose bounds are being described, and are used in a sort of standalone "label noun phrase: value noun phrase" context. They're different enough from the {rav/'aqroS} construction that I didn't think they'd work so well as supporting evidence for using half of a {rav/'aqroS} construction by itself.
De’vID’s examples of {rav} both follow the noun: {Hung buv rav} “security classification minimum” and {nen rav} “growth/maturation minimum”. I checked how the contrasting {‘aqroS} “top (interior); maximum” was used separately (not as part of a rav/’aqroS construction): 'aqroS qughDo: pIvlob Hut vI' vagh Maximum Cruising Speed - Warp 9.5 (KBoP) jabbI'ID pup: Qapchu'meH 'aqroS chuq: cha' vI' chorgh loghqammey High Resolution - Maximum Effective Range - 3.5 Light Years. (KBoP) Here {‘aqroS} precedes the noun: {'aqroS qughDo} “maximum cruising-speed” and {'aqroS chuq} “maximum range”. I wonder if this is a subconscious ordering – top/maximum precedes, bottom/minimum follows – or if this is in fact Okrand’s preferred pattern. Or, as usual, am I over-thinking it? <g> Voragh ___________________________________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol On Behalf Of nIqolay Q On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:33 AM De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com<mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>> wrote: There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum: {Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster) {nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly) I knew about those two, but they're phrased differently than the {rav/'aqroS} construction. The {rav/'aqroS} construction puts the {rav} before the value of the lower bound, and is used in a larger sentence. Those two examples have {rav} at the end of the thing whose bounds are being described, and are used in a sort of standalone "label noun phrase: value noun phrase" context. They're different enough from the {rav/'aqroS} construction that I didn't think they'd work so well as supporting evidence for using half of a {rav/'aqroS} construction by itself.
On Thu., Mar. 24, 2022, 20:26 nIqolay Q, <niqolay0@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:33 AM De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum:
{Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster)
{nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly)
I knew about those two, but they're phrased differently than the {rav/'aqroS} construction. The {rav/'aqroS} construction puts the {rav} before the value of the lower bound, and is used in a larger sentence. Those two examples have {rav} at the end of the thing whose bounds are being described, and are used in a sort of standalone "label noun phrase: value noun phrase" context. They're different enough from the {rav/'aqroS} construction that I didn't think they'd work so well as supporting evidence for using half of a {rav/'aqroS} construction by itself.
In every instance, {rav} precedes the value of the lower bound: {[rav cha' 'uj] 'aqroS loS 'uj} (at least 2 ujes) {[rav DaSjaj] 'aqroS buqjaj} (at least Monday, Monday at the earliest) {QujwI' ghom [rav cha'] 'aqroS jav} (at least 2 players) The examples in my previous email are just truncated versions of this pattern: {Hung buv [rav patlh Hut]} (at least level 9) {nen [rav chorgh ben]} (at least 8 years old) The fact that a colon is placed after {rav} in some cases to indicate a label makes it *look* different, but punctuation isn't really part of the Klingon writing system. The pattern is still "(thing bounded) {rav} (lower bound value)". I think the following sentences are grammatical, and follow the same grammar: {rav cha' 'uj 'aqroS loS 'uj 'ab naQ} "the stick measures between 2 and 4 ujes" {QujwI' ghom rav cha' 'aqroS jav wIpoQ} "we need a group of 2 to 6 players" {QujwI' ghom rav cha' wIpoQ} "we need a group of at least 2 players" {De'vam leghlu'meH, Hung buv rav patlh Hut poQlu'} "in order for one to see this data, security classification of at least level 9 is required" -- De'vID
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