De’vID’s examples of {rav} both follow the noun: {Hung buv rav} “security classification minimum” and {nen rav} “growth/maturation minimum”. I checked how the contrasting {‘aqroS} “top (interior); maximum” was used separately (not as part of a rav/’aqroS construction): 'aqroS qughDo: pIvlob Hut vI' vagh Maximum Cruising Speed - Warp 9.5 (KBoP) jabbI'ID pup: Qapchu'meH 'aqroS chuq: cha' vI' chorgh loghqammey High Resolution - Maximum Effective Range - 3.5 Light Years. (KBoP) Here {‘aqroS} precedes the noun: {'aqroS qughDo} “maximum cruising-speed” and {'aqroS chuq} “maximum range”. I wonder if this is a subconscious ordering – top/maximum precedes, bottom/minimum follows – or if this is in fact Okrand’s preferred pattern. Or, as usual, am I over-thinking it? <g> Voragh ___________________________________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol On Behalf Of nIqolay Q On Thu, Mar 24, 2022 at 12:33 AM De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com<mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com>> wrote: There are canon examples of {rav} being used by itself to indicate a minimum: {Hung buv rav: patlh Hut} "Classified Level 9 and Above" (Bird of Prey poster) {nen rav: chorgh ben} "Ages 8 to adult" (Klingon Monopoly) I knew about those two, but they're phrased differently than the {rav/'aqroS} construction. The {rav/'aqroS} construction puts the {rav} before the value of the lower bound, and is used in a larger sentence. Those two examples have {rav} at the end of the thing whose bounds are being described, and are used in a sort of standalone "label noun phrase: value noun phrase" context. They're different enough from the {rav/'aqroS} construction that I didn't think they'd work so well as supporting evidence for using half of a {rav/'aqroS} construction by itself.