We have the Ca'Non: {romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'} (n) romulan hunter-killer probe Now, forget it and read this: "don't be afraid to face people who can kill the body, but can't kill the spirit" And now read the following: {porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh tIbamvIpQo'}. Or {porgh luHoHbogh 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'} Or {porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'} Are the above correct ? And don't tell me to rephrase. I'm allergic to rephrasing. ~ m. qunen'oS
On 6/25/2019 9:03 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
We have the Ca'Non:
{romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'} (n) romulan hunter-killer probe
Now, forget it and read this:
"don't be afraid to face people who can kill the body, but can't kill the spirit"
And now read the following:
{porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh tIbamvIpQo'}.
Or
{porgh luHoHbogh 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'}
Or
{porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'}
Are the above correct ?
And don't tell me to rephrase. I'm allergic to rephrasing.
*quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj **'angbe'bogh */The Klingon who kills without showing his face has no honor. /(TKW) -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 15:06, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh.
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 15:06, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
*quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj **'angbe'bogh*
*The Klingon who kills without showing his face has no honor. *(TKW)
quq. jIHagh. -- De'vID
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 15:03, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
We have the Ca'Non:
{romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'} (n) romulan hunter-killer probe
Now, forget it and read this:
"don't be afraid to face people who can kill the body, but can't kill the spirit"
And now read the following:
{porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh tIbamvIpQo'}.
Or
{porgh luHoHbogh 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'}
Or
{porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'}
Are the above correct ?
quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh. -- De'vID
ok, thanks. So, as I understand from the Ca'Non example, the answer is that both three options are correct/acceptable. ~ m. qunen'oS
On 6/25/2019 9:10 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
So, as I understand from the Ca'Non example, the answer is that both three options are correct/acceptable.
I probably wouldn't use *porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo',*because it sounds like you're talking about two different types of people: people who kill the body and people who can't kill the spirit. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Oh, you're right; I just noticed. However let me ask you. What's your preference with regards to where to place the {nuvpu'} ? After the first {-bogh} (i.e. the {luHoHbogh}), or after the second {-bogh} (i.e. the {luHoHlaHbe'bogh}) ? ~ m. qunen'oS
On 6/25/2019 9:20 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
However let me ask you. What's your preference with regards to where to place the {nuvpu'} ? After the first {-bogh} (i.e. the {luHoHbogh}), or after the second {-bogh} (i.e. the {luHoHlaHbe'bogh}) ?
Of the two, I prefer *porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh tIbamvIpQo',* because it introduces the subject of the verb *HoH* when it first appears and refers to it using an elided pronoun subsequently. However, either is perfectly legal and acceptable. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
S99:
'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh..
Based on this, could we say {juHDaq Hopbogh} "at the house which is far" ? S7:
DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh pov law' Hoch pov puS
Is this {DujvamDaq (tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh pov law' Hoch pov puS)} or is it {(DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh) pov law' Hoch pov puS} ? S7:
DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS
Similarly.. Is this {DujvamDaq ('op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS)} or is it {(DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh) po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS} ? ~ m. qunen'oS
On 6/25/2019 10:12 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
S99:
'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh.. Based on this, could we say {juHDaq Hopbogh} "at the house which is far" ?
Yes.
S7:
DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh pov law' Hoch pov puS Is this {DujvamDaq (tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh pov law' Hoch pov puS)} or is it {(DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh) pov law' Hoch pov puS} ?
Yes.
S7:
DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS Similarly.. Is this {DujvamDaq ('op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS)} or is it {(DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh) po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS} ?
Yes. (The latter two pretty much mean the same thing both ways.) -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 16:12, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
S99:
'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh..
Based on this, could we say {juHDaq Hopbogh} "at the house which is far" ?
It would have to be either {juH HopDaq} or {Hopbogh juHDaq}. {juH} is the subject of {Hopbogh}, whereas in the above {'u' Sepmey} is the object of {Sovbe'lu'bogh}. -- De'vID
Just to be thorough, more examples of two {-bogh}s used in one sentence, with or without a conjunction: Hov ghajbe'bogh ram rur pegh ghajbe'bogh jaj A day without secrets is like a night without stars. PK yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI' Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw The blood of battle washes clean the warrior brave and true. (Anthem) loS... qIb HeHDaq, 'u' SepmeyDaq Sovbe'lu'bogh lenglu'meH He ghoSlu'bogh retlhDaq 'oHtaH It waits... on the edge of the galaxy, beside a passage to unknown regions of the universe. S99 DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh pov law' Hoch pov puS 'ej DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh po' law' tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law' po' puS It [IKC Pagh] has the best weapons and some of the finest warriors in the Klingon fleet. S7 nuH'e' qengbogh mangghomvam luDel 'e' ra' molor, lujang maS'e' loQ So'be'bogh QIb lurur Molor asks them what weapons this army carries, they reply, shaped as the crescent moon. PB _________________________________________________________ On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 15:03, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: We have the Ca'Non: {romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'} (n) romulan hunter-killer probe Now, forget it and read this: "don't be afraid to face people who can kill the body, but can't kill the spirit" And now read the following: {porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh tIbamvIpQo'}. Or {porgh luHoHbogh 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'} Or {porgh luHoHbogh nuvpu' 'ach qa' luHoHlaHbe'bogh nuvpu' tIbamvIpQo'} Are the above correct ? From: De'vID quv Hutlh HoHbogh tlhIngan 'ach qabDaj 'angbe'bogh.
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