There are some verbs, which contain the concept of "for, about, etc". For example {SaH} "care about, be concerned about". And we have said, that when we are using these verbs, we don't place an additional {-vaD} on the word, which would take a {-vaD}, if the "for, about, etc" concept wasn't included in the verb. For example, we say {romuluSngan vISaHbe'} and not {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}. But I need to ask.. If we did write {romuluSnganvaD vISaHbe'}, would that be wrong ? And in case someone wonders why I'm asking.. In cases where I wanted to say "I gave to myself a present", since there is no prefix for "me-myself", I wrote {qunnoqvaD nob vInob}. But if I want to say "we care only for us", and I want to write {maHvaD neH maSaH}, I stumble upon the fact that the concept of {-vaD} is already included in the {SaH}. So, because of this reason I ask, "can we use a {-vaD} with verbs such as {SaH} ?" Can I write {maHvaD neH maSaH} ? mayqel q