How would one translate "privacy" in "privacy policy"? We have {ngoch} for "policy". GDPRmo' *privacy* ngochmaj bopbogh De' chu' pIja': ... -- De'vID
On May 25, 2018, at 17:54, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
How would one translate "privacy" in "privacy policy"? We have {ngoch} for "policy".
GDPRmo' *privacy* ngochmaj bopbogh De' chu' pIja': ...
As far as GPDR is concerned, maybe something like {De' tlhIn} for “personal information”? It’s not “privacy” per se, but something based on {pegh} doesn’t seem quite right.
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De'vID :
How would one translate "privacy" in "privacy policy"? We have {ngoch} for "policy". {GDPRmo' *privacy* ngochmaj bopbogh De' chu' pIja': ...}
Daniel Dadap:
As far as GPDR is concerned, maybe something like {De' tlhIn} for “personal information”?
{De' tlhIn} "particular/individual information"
It’s not “privacy” per se, but something based on {pegh} doesn’t seem quite right.
As others have pointed out over the years, there's no Klingon word for "be private". I think {pegh} "keep something secret, be secret, classified" and {peghHa'moH} "cause to not keep a secret" (cf. KGT p.153) come pretty close (at least from the Klingon point of view): pegh De'vetlh That is classified information. CK De' pegh vIghaj I have secret information. PK pegh vIttlhegh A proverb keeps things secret. (HQ 5.1) (HQ 5.1): Infrequently the singular {pegh} "secret" (rather than the plural {peghmey}) is heard, shortening the construction to {pegh vIttlhegh}. Since {pegh} is also a verb (meaning "keep something secret"), {pegh vIttlhegh} can also be interpreted as a sentence meaning something like "a proverb keeps things secret," that is, it withholds information rather than being a ready source of answers. To some Klingons, this is a most insightful coincidence. We have {ghotpu' tamey} "Personnel Files" from the special Klingon issue of _Star Trek Communicator_ (no. 104 [Aug-Sep 1995]) which uses {ghot} "person" (n). {ghot ta} could also be translated "personal file" - not personal or private property but a file for each person in an organization. Perhaps *{ghot De' ngoch}? Compare with {beq may' ta} "the crew's record of battle" from KGT. Yet another option is to do something with the new verbs {'ot} and {'otHa'}: (Lieven < MO, 9/2017): A verb to use for what Maltz does when he tells us new words is {'otHa'} "disclose, divulge". ({'ot} means "withhold (information)". -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
On May 29, 2018, at 11:21, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
De'vID :
How would one translate "privacy" in "privacy policy"? We have {ngoch} for "policy". {GDPRmo' *privacy* ngochmaj bopbogh De' chu' pIja': ...}
Daniel Dadap:
As far as GPDR is concerned, maybe something like {De' tlhIn} for “personal information”?
{De' tlhIn} "particular/individual information"
It’s not “privacy” per se, but something based on {pegh} doesn’t seem quite right.
As others have pointed out over the years, there's no Klingon word for "be private". I think {pegh} "keep something secret, be secret, classified" and {peghHa'moH} "cause to not keep a secret" (cf. KGT p.153) come pretty close (at least from the Klingon point of view):
pegh De'vetlh That is classified information. CK
De' pegh vIghaj I have secret information. PK
pegh vIttlhegh A proverb keeps things secret. (HQ 5.1)
(HQ 5.1): Infrequently the singular {pegh} "secret" (rather than the plural {peghmey}) is heard, shortening the construction to {pegh vIttlhegh}. Since {pegh} is also a verb (meaning "keep something secret"), {pegh vIttlhegh} can also be interpreted as a sentence meaning something like "a proverb keeps things secret," that is, it withholds information rather than being a ready source of answers. To some Klingons, this is a most insightful coincidence.
We have {ghotpu' tamey} "Personnel Files" from the special Klingon issue of _Star Trek Communicator_ (no. 104 [Aug-Sep 1995]) which uses {ghot} "person" (n). {ghot ta} could also be translated "personal file" - not personal or private property but a file for each person in an organization. Perhaps *{ghot De' ngoch}? Compare with {beq may' ta} "the crew's record of battle" from KGT.
Yeah, my point was mainly that since GDPR is about how companies handle user information and what rights and level of control users have over their own information, it might make more sense to provide a translation that describes the “privacy policy” being about user information rather than secret information in general, since there doesn’t seem to be a known way to discuss what we call “privacy”. With that in mind, {ghot ta} or {ghot De'} is compatible with what I was thinking. (I apologize if “personal information” is not an appropriate translation for {De' tlhIn}; I guess however that {De' tlhIn} means the {De'} itself is {tlhIn}, rather than being about something {tlhIn}, so let’s pretend that I said something like {ghot tlhIn De'}, although I guess you probably can’t noun-noun where the first noun is followed by a stative verb…
Yet another option is to do something with the new verbs {'ot} and {'otHa'}:
(Lieven < MO, 9/2017): A verb to use for what Maltz does when he tells us new words is {'otHa'} "disclose, divulge". ({'ot} means "withhold (information)".
-- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
With that in mind, {ghot ta} or {ghot De'} is compatible with what I was thinking. (I apologize if “personal information” is not an appropriate translation for {De' tlhIn}; I guess however that {De' tlhIn} means the {De'} itself is {tlhIn}, rather than being about something {tlhIn}, so let’s pretend that I said something like {ghot tlhIn De'}, although I guess you probably can’t noun-noun where the first noun is followed by a stative verb…
I thought {De' tlhIn} "information that is attributable to someone, information that is uniquely associated with someone" was a pretty good way to translate the idea. "Personal information" is a bit loose of a translation (I wouldn't necessarily use "personal" to translate every use of {tlhIn} and vice versa) but I thought it worked okay in this particular context.
I agree with nIqolay Q, {De’ tlhIn} is quite good for the idea of personal/private information. E.g. reH De’lIj tlhIn wI’otlhtaH. not De’lIj tlhIn wI’otlhHa’. I was just showing how Okrand has handled similar ideas in the past using {ghot}. Hey, it’s what I do! -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons From: nIqolay Q On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net<mailto:daniel@dadap.net>> wrote: With that in mind, {ghot ta} or {ghot De'} is compatible with what I was thinking. (I apologize if “personal information” is not an appropriate translation for {De' tlhIn}; I guess however that {De' tlhIn} means the {De'} itself is {tlhIn}, rather than being about something {tlhIn}, so let’s pretend that I said something like {ghot tlhIn De'}, although I guess you probably can’t noun-noun where the first noun is followed by a stative verb… I thought {De' tlhIn} "information that is attributable to someone, information that is uniquely associated with someone" was a pretty good way to translate the idea. "Personal information" is a bit loose of a translation (I wouldn't necessarily use "personal" to translate every use of {tlhIn} and vice versa) but I thought it worked okay in this particular context.
maj, wa' DoS wIqIplaw'. taghwI'mo' jIH, jIQagh 'e' vIHar.
On May 30, 2018, at 09:02, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
I agree with nIqolay Q, {De’ tlhIn} is quite good for the idea of personal/private information. E.g.
reH De’lIj tlhIn wI’otlhtaH.
not De’lIj tlhIn wI’otlhHa’.
I was just showing how Okrand has handled similar ideas in the past using {ghot}. Hey, it’s what I do!
-- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
From: nIqolay Q
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 7:00 PM, Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> wrote:
With that in mind, {ghot ta} or {ghot De'} is compatible with what I was thinking. (I apologize if “personal information” is not an appropriate translation for {De' tlhIn}; I guess however that {De' tlhIn} means the {De'} itself is {tlhIn}, rather than being about something {tlhIn}, so let’s pretend that I said something like {ghot tlhIn De'}, although I guess you probably can’t noun-noun where the first noun is followed by a stative verb…
I thought {De' tlhIn} "information that is attributable to someone, information that is uniquely associated with someone" was a pretty good way to translate the idea. "Personal information" is a bit loose of a translation (I wouldn't necessarily use "personal" to translate every use of {tlhIn} and vice versa) but I thought it worked okay in this particular context. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Oops. It means nothing. A typo – or maybe autocorrect? - for {‘ot}. [This would be a good place for a brand-new replacement proverb!] --Voragh From: Daniel Dadap On May 30, 2018, at 09:02, Voragh <sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote: reH De’lIj tlhIn wI’otlhtaH. not De’lIj tlhIn wI’otlhHa’. Wait, what does {'otlh} mean as a verb? I can’t find it.
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