Read the following from tkd:
{jay'} "intensely" This word not only intensifies whatever is being said, it turns the whole phrase into an invective. Alone among the adverbials, {jay'} always comes at the end of the sentence. {qaStaH nuq jay'} "What the #$*@ is happening?" {mIch 'elpu' jay'} "They've entered the #$%@ sector!"
Now I ask.. A klingon ship is traveling and suddenly picks up the following transmission: {jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'} Where does the {jay'} refer ? To the {vaj mIch bo'elpu'} only ? Or to the whole phrase {jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'} ? ~ bara'qa'
On one hand, putting {jay’} into a sentence generally conveys the sense, “I’m upset about this and I’m cussing.” It has more to do with expressing the emotion of the moment than it does with any specific grammatical unit. On the other hand, technically, it applies to the phrase to which it is adjoined. A phrase is a unit of speech smaller than a sentence. In your sentence, it’s the verb {bo’elpu’}. “You have #$*@ entered…" charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Sep 13, 2019, at 9:48 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
Read the following from tkd:
{jay'} "intensely" This word not only intensifies whatever is being said, it turns the whole phrase into an invective. Alone among the adverbials, {jay'} always comes at the end of the sentence. {qaStaH nuq jay'} "What the #$*@ is happening?" {mIch 'elpu' jay'} "They've entered the #$%@ sector!"
Now I ask..
A klingon ship is traveling and suddenly picks up the following transmission:
{jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'}
Where does the {jay'} refer ? To the {vaj mIch bo'elpu'} only ? Or to the whole phrase {jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'} ?
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On 9/13/2019 9:48 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Read the following from tkd:
{jay'} "intensely" This word not only intensifies whatever is being said, it turns the whole phrase into an invective. Alone among the adverbials, {jay'} always comes at the end of the sentence. {qaStaH nuq jay'} "What the #$*@ is happening?" {mIch 'elpu' jay'} "They've entered the #$%@ sector!" Now I ask..
A klingon ship is traveling and suddenly picks up the following transmission:
{jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'}
Where does the {jay'} refer ? To the {vaj mIch bo'elpu'} only ? Or to the whole phrase {jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'} ?
Using *jay'* is virtually identical to saying /damn it/ at the end of an English sentence. /If you detect a transmission, then you've entered the sector, damn it!/ To what does the /damn it/ apply? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
SuStel:
Using jay' is virtually identical to saying damn it at the end of an English sentence. If you detect a transmission, then you've entered the sector, damn it! To what does the damn it apply?
Interesting question. I'd have to say that the "damn it" applies to the "then you've entered the sector", but I'm not sure I "feel" it correctly, since english isn't my native language. - bara'qa'
AFAIK “damn it” in colloquial English use follows the phrase if modifies. “We’ve detected a transmission, damn it. So we entered the sector.” “We detected a transmission, so we entered the sector, damn it.” With the weight being placed on a different part of the thought based on where the “damn it” is. Likewise I imagine that jay’ as an “intensifier” would work similarly. Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 13, 2019, at 10:12, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
SuStel:
Using jay' is virtually identical to saying damn it at the end of an English sentence. If you detect a transmission, then you've entered the sector, damn it! To what does the damn it apply?
Interesting question.
I'd have to say that the "damn it" applies to the "then you've entered the sector", but I'm not sure I "feel" it correctly, since english isn't my native language.
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Am 13.09.2019 um 15:48 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:> {jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'}
Where does the {jay'} refer ? To the {vaj mIch bo'elpu'} only ? Or to the whole phrase {jabbI'ID bojemchugh, vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'} ?
The problem here is that {jabbI'ID bojemchugh} is not a complete sentence, it's part of the entire thing and cannot stand alone, so I do not see much difference between the two versions. In English, it's like "If you can read this, you entered the f***ing sector." That's not different from only "you entered the f***ing sector". Of course, in English you may repeat the F-word to emphasie the first part by rephrasing it. THat also works in Klingon: {jabbI'ID bojem jay'. vaj mIch bo'elpu' jay'.} "You detected the F**ing message. So you've entered the f**ing sector." -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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