qaStaHvIS jajvam, jISIvtaH.. SoHDaq narghlu' 'ej jatlhlu': wa' dog yISuv pagh vagh vIghro' tISuv. DuH DamaS yIngu'. nuq DawIv ? qunnoq
On 9/21/2017 1:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SoHDaq narghlu' 'ej jatlhlu': wa' dog yISuv pagh vagh vIghro' tISuv. DuH DamaS yIngu'.
nuq DawIv ?
Dog Segh vIghro' Segh je tIngu'. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
hmm.. DoyIchlan shepherd 'oH dog Segh'e', 'ej siam 'oH vIghro'mey Segh'e'. qunnoq On Sep 21, 2017 8:58 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/21/2017 1:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SoHDaq narghlu' 'ej jatlhlu': wa' dog yISuv pagh vagh vIghro' tISuv. DuH DamaS yIngu'.
nuq DawIv ?
Dog Segh vIghro' Segh je tIngu'.
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On 9/21/2017 2:03 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
DoyIchlan shepherd 'oH dog Segh'e', 'ej siam 'oH vIghro'mey Segh'e'.
qunnoq
On Sep 21, 2017 8:58 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 9/21/2017 1:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SoHDaq narghlu' 'ej jatlhlu': wa' dog yISuv pagh vagh vIghro' tISuv. DuH DamaS yIngu'.
nuq DawIv ?
Dog Segh vIghro' Segh je tIngu'.
wa' dog vIwIv. wa' DoS neH yIbuS. Suvchugh wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human wa' dog HoSghaj je reH Qap Human. chop dog 'e' yIbot neH. Human porgh HoS law' dog porgh HoS puS. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
jIQochbe' ! jIwIvnIS net jalchugh vaj dog vIwIv je. wa' Ha'DIbaH neH vISuvnISchugh vaj qaqbej ghu'vam. muchop dog, 'e' vIbotlaHchugh vaj jItaHlaH. 'ej motlh, mInDu' HIvmo' vIghro'mey, vIghro'mey Qob law' dog Qob puS. qunnoq On Sep 21, 2017 9:14 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/21/2017 2:03 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
DoyIchlan shepherd 'oH dog Segh'e', 'ej siam 'oH vIghro'mey Segh'e'.
qunnoq
On Sep 21, 2017 8:58 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/21/2017 1:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SoHDaq narghlu' 'ej jatlhlu': wa' dog yISuv pagh vagh vIghro' tISuv. DuH DamaS yIngu'.
nuq DawIv ?
Dog Segh vIghro' Segh je tIngu'.
wa' dog vIwIv. wa' DoS neH yIbuS.
Suvchugh wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human wa' dog HoSghaj je reH Qap Human. chop dog 'e' yIbot neH. Human porgh HoS law' dog porgh HoS puS.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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SuStel:
wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human
SuStel, there is something I would like to ask you. Why did you write {wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human} instead of {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human} ? Is the {wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human} better or more correct for some reason ? I'm asking in case there's some grammar here, which I'm missing. qunnoq On Sep 21, 2017 9:40 PM, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
jIQochbe' !
jIwIvnIS net jalchugh vaj dog vIwIv je.
wa' Ha'DIbaH neH vISuvnISchugh vaj qaqbej ghu'vam. muchop dog, 'e' vIbotlaHchugh vaj jItaHlaH. 'ej motlh, mInDu' HIvmo' vIghro'mey, vIghro'mey Qob law' dog Qob puS.
qunnoq
On Sep 21, 2017 9:14 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/21/2017 2:03 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
DoyIchlan shepherd 'oH dog Segh'e', 'ej siam 'oH vIghro'mey Segh'e'.
qunnoq
On Sep 21, 2017 8:58 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/21/2017 1:50 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SoHDaq narghlu' 'ej jatlhlu': wa' dog yISuv pagh vagh vIghro' tISuv. DuH DamaS yIngu'.
nuq DawIv ?
Dog Segh vIghro' Segh je tIngu'.
wa' dog vIwIv. wa' DoS neH yIbuS.
Suvchugh wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human wa' dog HoSghaj je reH Qap Human. chop dog 'e' yIbot neH. Human porgh HoS law' dog porgh HoS puS.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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On 9/22/2017 8:06 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human
SuStel, there is something I would like to ask you.
Why did you write {wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human} instead of {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human} ?
Is the {wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human} better or more correct for some reason ?
I'm asking in case there's some grammar here, which I'm missing.
I'm thinking of *nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human* as a distinct noun phrase. How many *nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human* do I have? *wa' [nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human].* -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
ok, I understand. However, if one wrote {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human}, then that would be correct too, right ? qunnoq On Sep 22, 2017 4:01 PM, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 9/22/2017 8:06 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human
SuStel, there is something I would like to ask you.
Why did you write {wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human} instead of {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human} ?
Is the {wa' nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human} better or more correct for some reason ?
I'm asking in case there's some grammar here, which I'm missing.
I'm thinking of *nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human* as a distinct noun phrase. How many *nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human* do I have? *wa' [nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh Human].*
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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On 9/22/2017 9:09 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
ok, I understand. However, if one wrote {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human}, then that would be correct too, right ?
There's nothing technically wrong with it. However, it violates my sense of adjective order. We're not dealing exactly with adjectives here, but the effect is the same. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/sep/13/sentence-order-adjecti... -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 9/22/2017 9:14 AM, SuStel wrote:
On 9/22/2017 9:09 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
ok, I understand. However, if one wrote {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human}, then that would be correct too, right ?
There's nothing technically wrong with it. However, it violates my sense of adjective order. We're not dealing exactly with adjectives here, but the effect is the same.
Mind you, that's an English rule. There's no guarantee that Klingons have anything like it. Given their strictly ordered suffixes and word order, however, I wouldn't be surprised if there were such a thing. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Sorry; is there a rule against directly:? wa' Human nen yoH one brave adult human But I suppose that it could also mean: wa' may mean:- - I:1 Human may mean:- - N:human nen may mean:- - V:be_mature/adult= - N:[growth|maturation|maturity]= yoH may mean:- - V:be_brave one human's brave maturity ----Original message----
From : sustel@trimboli.name Date : 22/09/2017 - 14:16 (GMTST) To : tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One dog or five cats ?
On 9/22/2017 9:14 AM, SuStel wrote: On 9/22/2017 9:09 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: ok, I understand. However, if one wrote {nenbogh 'ej yoHbogh wa' Human}, then that would be correct too, right ? There's nothing technically wrong with it. However, it violates my sense of adjective order. We're not dealing exactly with adjectives here, but the effect is the same. Mind you, that's an English rule. There's no guarantee that Klingons have anything like it. Given their strictly ordered suffixes and word order, however, I wouldn't be surprised if there were such a thing. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 9/22/2017 9:34 AM, Anthony Appleyard wrote:
Sorry; is there a rule against directly:? wa' Human nen yoH one brave adult human
So far as we know, we can only use one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
That’s why we’ve seen various work-arounds for using two qualities with one noun. E.g. SuD 'ach wov [(it) is] SuD but light (is also heard)] KGT SuD Dargh 'ej wov The tea is SuD and light. KGT SuDbogh Dargh 'ej wovbogh The tea that is SuD and light. KGT (which are all ways to refer to “light SuD”, i.e. with a yellowish tinge) yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI' Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw The blood of battle washes clean the warrior brave and true. (Anthem) romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI' Romulan hunter-killer probe (KCD) Suto’vo’qor botlhDaq pe'vIl joqchu'taH quvbogh 'ej valbogh tIqDu' tIQ [translation unavailable] PB --Voragh From: SuStel On 9/22/2017 9:34 AM, Anthony Appleyard wrote: Sorry; is there a rule against directly:? wa' Human nen yoH one brave adult human So far as we know, we can only use one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Anthony Appleyard
- I:1 Human may mean:- - N:human nen may mean:- - V:be_mature/adult= - N:[growth|maturation|maturity]= yoH may mean:- - V:be_brave
I can't understand how this kind of analysis can be of any help. Just by reading this, makes me want to smash my phone/computer against the wall. qunnoq On Sep 22, 2017 5:11 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
That’s why we’ve seen various work-arounds for using two qualities with one noun. E.g.
*SuD 'ach wov*
[(it) is]* SuD* *but* light (is also heard)] KGT
*SuD Dargh 'ej wov*
The tea is *SuD* and light. KGT
*SuDbogh Dargh 'ej wovbogh*
The tea that is *SuD* and light. KGT
(which are all ways to refer to “light *SuD*”, * i.e*. with a yellowish tinge)
*yoHbogh matlhbogh je SuvwI' Say'moHchu' may' 'Iw*
The blood of battle washes clean the warrior brave and true. (Anthem)
*romuluSngan Sambogh 'ej HoHbogh nejwI'*
Romulan hunter-killer probe (KCD)
*Suto’vo’qor botlhDaq pe'vIl joqchu'taH quvbogh 'ej valbogh tIqDu' tIQ*
[*translation unavailable] *PB
--Voragh
*From:* SuStel
On 9/22/2017 9:34 AM, Anthony Appleyard wrote:
Sorry; is there a rule against directly:? wa' Human nen yoH one brave adult human
So far as we know, we can only use one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time.
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Is this "one only" rule specifically stated? Or merely have no canon examples appeared with more than one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time?----Original message----
From : sustel@trimboli.name Date : 22/09/2017 - 14:45 (GMTST) To : tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One dog or five cats ?
On 9/22/2017 9:34 AM, Anthony Appleyard wrote: Sorry; is there a rule against directly:? wa' Human nen yoH one brave adult human So far as we know, we can only use one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time.
On 9/23/2017 1:06 AM, Anthony Appleyard wrote:
Is this "one only" rule specifically stated? Or merely have no canon examples appeared with more than one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time?
----Original message---- From : sustel@trimboli.name Date : 22/09/2017 - 14:45 (GMTST) To : tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org Subject : Re: [tlhIngan Hol] One dog or five cats ?
On 9/22/2017 9:34 AM, Anthony Appleyard wrote:
Sorry; is there a rule against directly:? wa' Human nen yoH one brave adult human
So far as we know, we can only use one verb acting adjectivally on a noun at a time.
If it were specifically stated, I wouldn't have said "so far as we know." Okrand has not used such a construction, and he has gone out of his way to avoid it. Nothing tells us that we CAN do it. So odds are it's not allowed. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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