a while ago the Ca'non master shared this sentence: Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je Not far away, Kotar and his Qempa'keh, are in search for their souls. (PB) The {-Ha'} on the {Hop} seems rather strange; why not write just {Daq SumDaq} ? qunnoH jan puqloD
On 11/29/2016 9:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
a while ago the Ca'non master shared this sentence:
Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je Not far away, Kotar and his Qempa'keh, are in search for their souls. (PB)
The {-Ha'} on the {Hop} seems rather strange; why not write just {Daq SumDaq} ?
Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use /nearby/? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
SuStel:
Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use nearby?
hmm.. is there a rule that in be-verbs used as adjectives someone can place the {-Ha'}, or is this sentence from paq'batlh an exception ? and remind me of something.. in verbs used as adjectives, we can have the {-qu'}, right ? but can we have the {-be'} ? In the above sentence could there be {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} ? qunnoH jan puqloD On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 4:53 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 11/29/2016 9:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
a while ago the Ca'non master shared this sentence:
Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je Not far away, Kotar and his Qempa'keh, are in search for their souls. (PB)
The {-Ha'} on the {Hop} seems rather strange; why not write just {Daq SumDaq} ?
Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use nearby?
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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On 11/29/2016 10:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use nearby? hmm.. is there a rule that in be-verbs used as adjectives someone can place the {-Ha'}, or is this sentence from paq'batlh an exception ?
and remind me of something.. in verbs used as adjectives, we can have the {-qu'}, right ? but can we have the {-be'} ? In the above sentence could there be {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} ?
We've seen three of the four rovers used as suffixes on adjectival verbs. *-qu'* appears in /The Klingon Dictionary/ (section 4.4) and is explicitly allowed. *-be'* first appears in /Conversational Klingon/ in the section on counting as *wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'.* *-Ha'* first appears in /Klingon for the Galactic Traveler/ as *Duj ngaDHa'* in the section on slang. Each type has been used more than once. Clearly, *-qu', -be',* and *-Ha'* are all allowed on adjectival verbs. I don't think we've ever seen any other suffixes on such verbs. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
maj. time for the next question: if instead of the: {Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} we had the: {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} would there be any difference in meaning ? to me the {Daq Hopbe’} sounds like "a not far location", while the {Daq HopHa'} sounds like "a misfar location" (whatever the ghe''or this may mean..) qunnoH jan puqloD On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:15 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 11/29/2016 10:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use nearby?
hmm.. is there a rule that in be-verbs used as adjectives someone can place the {-Ha'}, or is this sentence from paq'batlh an exception ?
and remind me of something.. in verbs used as adjectives, we can have the {-qu'}, right ? but can we have the {-be'} ? In the above sentence could there be {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} ?
We've seen three of the four rovers used as suffixes on adjectival verbs. -qu' appears in The Klingon Dictionary (section 4.4) and is explicitly allowed. -be' first appears in Conversational Klingon in the section on counting as wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'. -Ha' first appears in Klingon for the Galactic Traveler as Duj ngaDHa' in the section on slang. Each type has been used more than once.
Clearly, -qu', -be', and -Ha' are all allowed on adjectival verbs. I don't think we've ever seen any other suffixes on such verbs.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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also, how would you translate the {wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'} ? "ten not useful tribbles" or {ten useless tribbles} ? I'm inclined to translate it as "ten not useful tribbles", leaving the {wa'maH yIHmey lI'Ha'} to mean the {ten useless tribbles}. qunnoH jan puqloD On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 6:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
maj. time for the next question:
if instead of the: {Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} we had the: {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je}
would there be any difference in meaning ? to me the {Daq Hopbe’} sounds like "a not far location", while the {Daq HopHa'} sounds like "a misfar location" (whatever the ghe''or this may mean..)
qunnoH jan puqloD
On Tue, Nov 29, 2016 at 5:15 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 11/29/2016 10:00 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use nearby?
hmm.. is there a rule that in be-verbs used as adjectives someone can place the {-Ha'}, or is this sentence from paq'batlh an exception ?
and remind me of something.. in verbs used as adjectives, we can have the {-qu'}, right ? but can we have the {-be'} ? In the above sentence could there be {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} ?
We've seen three of the four rovers used as suffixes on adjectival verbs. -qu' appears in The Klingon Dictionary (section 4.4) and is explicitly allowed. -be' first appears in Conversational Klingon in the section on counting as wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'. -Ha' first appears in Klingon for the Galactic Traveler as Duj ngaDHa' in the section on slang. Each type has been used more than once.
Clearly, -qu', -be', and -Ha' are all allowed on adjectival verbs. I don't think we've ever seen any other suffixes on such verbs.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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On 11/29/2016 11:08 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
also, how would you translate the {wa'maH yIHmey lI'be'} ? "ten not useful tribbles" or {ten useless tribbles} ?
I'm inclined to translate it as "ten not useful tribbles", leaving the {wa'maH yIHmey lI'Ha'} to mean the {ten useless tribbles}.
I don't see any difference in those translations, aside from one being a more clumsy phrase than the other. /CK /translates it /ten useless tribbles. Useless/ means /not useful; /it doesn't mean the tribbles are causing harm. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 11/29/2016 11:04 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
maj. time for the next question:
if instead of the: {Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je} we had the: {Daq Hopbe’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je}
would there be any difference in meaning ? to me the {Daq Hopbe’} sounds like "a not far location", while the {Daq HopHa'} sounds like "a misfar location" (whatever the ghe''or this may mean..)
I think *Hopbe'* means /not far, but not necessarily close either, though it could be,/ while *HopHa'* means /the opposite of far./ The English /not far,/ on the other hand, carries a connotation of /near/ that Klingon *Hopbe'* does not. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
I found a nearly identical example earlier (PB, paqraD 1:5): Daq SumHa'vo' wab Huj Qoylu' Strange sounds come from afar As SuStel pointed out, it’s poetic license: {Daq SumHa’vo’} vs. {Daq HopHa’Daq}. Curiously they both have a Type 5 suffix. --Voragh On Behalf Of SuStel Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2016 8:53 AM On 11/29/2016 9:50 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: a while ago the Ca'non master shared this sentence: Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je Not far away, Kotar and his Qempa'keh, are in search for their souls. (PB) The {-Ha'} on the {Hop} seems rather strange; why not write just {Daq SumDaq} ? Maybe for the same reason the English didn't use nearby? -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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