[Head smack!] vabDot! I totally ignored {vabDot}. My bad. I actually typed it while ignoring it. [sigh] charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
I love the way we dig ever deeper into any given topic. Going back to the Latin. YESSSSS!
I like the translation, but it loses the bit about EVEN when they bear gifts. It sounds like you only fear them when they bear gifts. So… consider:
vabDot nob qemchugh ‘elaDya’ngan, mughIjHa’be’ ‘elaDya'nganvetlh.
charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan
rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:11 PM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 11/10/2020 11:44 AM, SuStel wrote:
On 11/10/2020 11:35 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
And for the topic, don't forget TKW, p. 189:
{nobmey qembogh yIrIDnganpu''e' yIvoqQo'.} "Don't trust Yridians who bring gifts."
Which uses the -'e' suffix to avoid ambiguity, but does a prefix error.
nob qembogh 'elaDya'ngan tIvoqQo'.
Combining all the best parts.
Just found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes> The original sentence is in Latin: Timeo Danaos et ferentes, which literally means I fear the Danaans [Greeks], even though bearing gifts or even when they bear gifts.
A Klingon translation more true to the original (but I won't keep the ancient name) might be:
mughIj 'elaDya'ngan, vabDot nob qemDI'.
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