On 7/22/2019 10:19 AM, nIqolay Q wrote:
On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 7/22/2019 2:52 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:
This is a summery of all the new information we gained. Most of it is also included on the new words list, but I compiled it all together for ease of reference.
*Hoy* is /be refined, be fancy, be sophisticated [pertaining to culture]./ Does that bracketed note apply only to the final synonym, /sophisticated,/ or the whole definition?
That is, does *Hoy* mean /be refined, fancy, not boorish/ or /be refined in a cultural sense, fancy in a cultural sense, sophisticated in a cultural sense/?
I suspect the bracketed note applies to "sophisticated" to distinguish it from the sense of "advanced" (as in "This engineering is quite sophisticated").
The original request on the KLI page (which I understand MO was provided with) was "Having characteristics associated with the upper class, possibly due to being particularly elaborate or due to arbitrarily culturally valued attributes. 'We are dinner at a fancy restaurant two nights ago.' 'Only a sufficiently sophisticated individual will appreciate the performance.'"
Your first paragraph is the argument in favor of /be refined, fancy, not boorish,/ while your second paragraph is the argument in favor of restricting the verb entirely to a cultural sense. For instance, could I say *'uSqan Hoy*/refined iron,/ or would that only refer to culturally fancy iron? Given the original request, I suspect not, but the written clarification on the new words page is poorly positioned. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name