On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 10:15 AM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:

On 7/22/2019 2:52 AM, qurgh lungqIj wrote:

This is a summery of all the new information we gained. Most of it is also included on the new words list, but I compiled it all together for ease of reference.

Hoy is be refined, be fancy, be sophisticated [pertaining to culture]. Does that bracketed note apply only to the final synonym, sophisticated, or the whole definition?

That is, does Hoy mean be refined, fancy, not boorish or be refined in a cultural sense, fancy in a cultural sense, sophisticated in a cultural sense?

I suspect the bracketed note applies to "sophisticated" to distinguish it from the sense of "advanced" (as in "This engineering is quite sophisticated").

The original request on the KLI page (which I understand MO was provided with) was "Having characteristics associated with the upper class, possibly due to being particularly elaborate or due to arbitrarily culturally valued attributes. 'We are dinner at a fancy restaurant two nights ago.' 'Only a sufficiently sophisticated individual will appreciate the performance.'"

Your first paragraph is the argument in favor of be refined, fancy, not boorish, while your second paragraph is the argument in favor of restricting the verb entirely to a cultural sense.

For instance, could I say 'uSqan Hoy refined iron, or would that only refer to culturally fancy iron? Given the original request, I suspect not, but the written clarification on the new words page is poorly positioned.

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