voragh:
However, the {*'e' -lu'*} pattern can indeed be used with verbs other than {*‘aq*}.
This is new to me. I can't understand why on these examples the {'e' -lu'} pattern is used, but I do remember that on numerous occasions on this list, we have said (or I have been told) that it is not permissible. Do the examples that you posted, mean that we can freely use {'e' -lu'} ? As far as the {-lu' net} is concerned, I see no problem with it since it doesn't contradict any rule. ~ nI'ghma On Nov 30, 2017 10:00 PM, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
*From:* mayqel qunenoS
{'e' -lu'} is not a permissible construction, unless the {-lu'} is on the verb {'aq}.
* SIS 'e' 'aqlu', javmaH vatlhvI' DIch* It is predicted it will rain, 60% certainty. (qep'a' 2017)
However, the {*'e' -lu'*} pattern can indeed be used with verbs other than {*‘aq*}. E.g.
* Qang QanmeH yan 'ISletlh Damuv 'e' wIvlu'. *You are chosen to serve on the *Yan-Isleth* and protect the chancellor. MKE
We’ve also seen the pattern {*-lu' 'e' -lu'*} used:
* yay chavlu' 'e' bajnISlu'*
Victory must be earned. TKW
* yInlu'taH 'e' bajnISlu'* Survival must be earned. TKW
* DIvI' rojmab qep ghanglu' 'e' nIDlu', 'ach taH qep. *Despite efforts to halt them, peace talks with Federation continue. MKE
And we’ve even seen the pattern {*-lu' net*}:
* vImuHlu' net wuqHa'! * My death sentence was commuted! (ENT "Affliction")
-- Voragh
*From:* mayqel qunenoS
{*'e' -lu'*} is not a permissible construction, unless the {-*lu'*} is on the verb {*'aq*}.
Always, as soon as you find yourself wanting to say {yadda yadda *'e'* *whatever**lu'*} you should instead write {yadda yadda *net* whatever}
~ nI'ghma
On Nov 30, 2017 9:12 PM, "Aurélie Demonchaux" < demonchaux.aurelie@gmail.com> wrote:
Today I am trying to grasp the difference between {net + verb} and {'e' + verb-lu'}
The way I understand it is, for example with "Sov"
net Sov = it is common knowledge that
'e' Sovlu' = someone (indefinite) knows that
Thus:
qama'pu' DIHoHbe' net Sov = It is common knowledge that we don't kill prisoners
qama'pu' DIHoHbe' 'e' Sovlu' = It is known / someone knows that we don't kill prisoners
Similarly with chaw' :
qama'pu' DIHoH net chaw'be' = we are not allowed to kill prisoners
qama'pu' DIHoH 'e' chaw'lu'be' = someone does not allow us to kill prisoners
Am I getting it right ?
Thanks in advance!
Aurélie
ghItlhjaj
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