SuStel:
Or to look at it another way: at what point do you finish starting? Can you point to the moment that *-DI'* points to, when the starting is completed and something else happens?
I see.. Indeed I can't define a specific point at which I finish starting and something else happens. So, I understand that trying to combine the {-ta'} with the {-choH} is indeed weird. however, since this came up let me ask you about this: SuStel:
Whether *-ta'* must refer to only the verb or can be applied to the *-choH* is not a settled issue
this "not settled issue" concerns only the {-ta'} and {-choH} (when they co-exist) at the same verb, or does it extend to all kinds of verb suffixes ? qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 23 Nov 2016 6:06 pm, "SuStel" <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 11/23/2016 10:44 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
jIH:
jIHaDchoHta'DI' SuStel: jIHaDchoHDI'
I was trying to express "as soon as I had started studying", trying to give emphasis to the fact that "my starting" had been completed. But now I wonder: In the {jIHaDchoHta'DI'}, is it possible for the {-ta'} to refer to the {-choH}, or does it exclusively refer to the verb ?
Saying *jIHaDchoHDI'* doesn't mean the starting of your studying is incomplete. It does mean that studying has started. Although it isn't described this way in *TKD,* *-choH* is a kind of aspect just like *-pu', -taH,* and the other type 7s are. Aspect describes how an action behaves over time. *-choH* describes the action as suddenly starting, then continuing from that point. Combining *-choH* and *-DI'* is enough to say "as soon as this starting point arrives."
Whether *-ta'* must refer to only the verb or can be applied to the *-choH* is not a settled issue, but I don't think you need to resolve it to say what you're trying to say. You're interested in a starting point, not a stopping point. *-ta'* describes a stopping point; *-choH* describes a starting point.
Or to look at it another way: at what point do you finish starting? Can you point to the moment that *-DI'* points to, when the starting is completed and something else happens?
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