[tlhIngan Hol] How to force the adverb on a specific target

[qurgh lungqIj]

Have you considered the Type 3 noun suffixes:

{veranganarHey'vo' naDev paw} - "It arrived here from apparently
Ferenginar" (I think it was Ferenginar, but I'm not sure)

{Dujqoqvo' naDev paw} - "It arrived here from from the so-called ship" (I'm
not convinced it's a ship at all.. )

{Qo'noSna'vo' naDev paw} - "It arrived here from a place that is defiantly
Kronos" (It didn't come from anywhere else)

Besides that, you'd could rework it into multiple sentences. Something like:

{veranganarvo' naDev paw'law' ach chaq latlh Daqvo' paw} - "I think it
arrived here from Ferenginar, but perhaps it arrived from another location"


qurgh


On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 9:39 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> indeed, you're right ;
>
> and this uncertainty, with regards to the exact target of {chaq} or
> {-law'}, is the problem here.
>
> I was interested in finding a way to focus the intended meaning on the
> desired part of the sentence. So, I thought the
> little-sentence-in-dashes solution.
>
> of course now the question would be "would a klingon mind understand
> this method of specifying things" ?
>
> and of course this solution is definitely "human influenced/oriented.."
>
> but for the moment, its the only solution I can find. let alone the
> fact, that klingon is primarily a spoken language, so what would be
> wrong with accepting methods of expression which stem from real life
> conversation.
>
> mayqel
>
> On Sat, Jun 18, 2016 at 3:48 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
> > On 6/18/2016 5:30 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> >
> > {verenganarvo' naDev pawlaw' (Hat SeHmeH janwIj)}. With the intended
> > meaning being "but the air conditioner, apparently came here from
> > ferenginar".
> >
> > The greek/english original sentence, wishes to express the
> > "seemingly/apparently" meaning, with regards to "where the a/c came
> > from" ; not with regards to "its arrival".
> >
> > But when I shoved the {-law'} on the {paw}, the "seemingly/apparently"
> > meaning  went on the {paw}. So the klingon sentence took the meaning :
> > "but the airconditioner (seemingly arrived = i.e. perhaps it didn't
> > arrive) from ferenginar)"
> >
> >
> > -law' doesn't only apply to the verb; it applies to the entire sentence.
> > verenganarvo' naDev pawlaw'pu' Hat SeHmeH janwIj my temperature-control
> > device arrived here from Ferenginar—I believe this to be true. It doesn't
> > say which part of the sentence is uncertain—maybe you're not sure it has
> > arrived here instead of somewhere else; maybe you're not sure it came
> from
> > Ferenginar; maybe you're not sure it is the air conditioner that arrived;
> > maybe you're not sure it arrived anywhere at all.
> >
> > I can't place the {-law'} on a noun, so my next thought would be :
> > "why don't I use an adverb".
> >
> > But even if I wrote {chaq verenganarvo' naDev paw (Hat SeHmeH
> > janwIj)}, then again there would be a problem. Since the adverb refers
> > to the verb, then again the meaning would be "perhaps it arrived'. So
> > dead end again.
> >
> >
> > I would never have interpreted chaq in this sentence to refer only to the
> > verb; I'd have applied it to the entire sentence, just like -law'.
> >
> > --
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> >
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