I'm an officer on a ship, and we're discussing (i.e. me and the other officers), the captain's decision to traverse borg territory. I'm stating (rather intensely) my discomfort for that decision, because I believe it puts us in danger. So, another officer stands up and says "I've had it with your disagreements; why do you keep complaining for a decision already taken ?" And I reply by saying: The reason I'm "complaining" is that I believe the borg will assimilate us. End of story, and beginning of my problem: If I was to say the words in this scenario, my voice would change while I would be saying the word "complaining". It would change, in order to express that from my point of view, I don't see it as "complaining" but as a statement of the facts. And of course, if I was to write these words, I would place them in "" to express the same fact. But in klingon, how do I do it ? I can't use "", so what's the solution ? If instead of a verb, there was a noun, perhaps I could use -qoq; but what can I do when instead of a noun, there is a verb ? ~ m. qunen'oS may we all thank the Italians, for pizza and espresso
On 4/17/2019 8:56 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
If I was to say the words in this scenario, my voice would change while I would be saying the word "complaining". It would change, in order to express that from my point of view, I don't see it as "complaining" but as a statement of the facts.
Verbally, I would do it exactly the same way you've described. Whether Klingons would do any differently, I don't know. Tonally, Klingon seems identical to English. Any answer about the written form will be about our Latin-character transcription system, because we don't know this sort of thing about *pIqaD.* I would typically put the word between asterisks or, if I have formatting available, I would make it italic. You know, the usual techniques in typography. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
ok, thanks ! I thought, that the use of asteriscs was limited only on transliterated words, and that we couldn't write words in italics while writing klingon. I'm glad to learn it isn't so. ~ m. qunen'oS Ca'Non.. Ca'Non.. my precious..
Many of us also use single or double angle brackets ( << and >>). We tend to avoid the use of single ( ‘ ) or double quotation marks ( “ ) when writing Klingon because depending on the font you’re using, these are easily confused with the {qaghwI’} ( ‘ ) which is a very common consonant. -- Voragh From: mayqel qunen'oS I thought, that the use of asteriscs was limited only on transliterated words, and that we couldn't write words in italics while writing klingon. I'm glad to learn it isn't so.
On 4/17/2019 10:14 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
I thought, that the use of asteriscs was limited only on transliterated words, and that we couldn't write words in italics while writing klingon.
I'm glad to learn it isn't so.
There are no rules to follow regarding writing Klingon in the transcription system. There are some policies of this list, and there are certain ways that Okrand has done things, but none of these are intrinsic to genuine Klingon. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On 4/17/2019 10:14 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
I thought, that the use of asteriscs was limited only on transliterated words,
mayqel again forgot to check the Klingon wiki :-) http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Punctuation -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de
On 4/17/2019 10:52 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
On 4/17/2019 10:14 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
I thought, that the use of asteriscs was limited only on transliterated words,
mayqel again forgot to check the Klingon wiki :-)
The wiki page fails to mention that the Latin transcription system is not "writing Klingon," so how you punctuate it has no significance. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
I’d say, {borgh Damuv DaneHlaw’. qamuv vIneHbe’.} You don’t have to use the word {bep} at all. You don’t need to acknowledge his complaint about your complaint. Speak directly for your cause. Sent from my iPad
On Apr 17, 2019, at 11:07 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 4/17/2019 10:52 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
On 4/17/2019 10:14 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
I thought, that the use of asteriscs was limited only on transliterated words,
mayqel again forgot to check the Klingon wiki :-)
http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Punctuation The wiki page fails to mention that the Latin transcription system is not "writing Klingon," so how you punctuate it has no significance.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 17.04.2019 um 17:07 schrieb SuStel:
The wiki page fails to mention that the Latin transcription system is not "writing Klingon," so how you punctuate it has no significance.
I will add it for clarification. The wiki is open to everyone. You may certainly add this and make any other corrections where you wish to. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonwiki.net/System/UserRegistration
On Apr 17, 2019, at 07:56, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
If instead of a verb, there was a noun, perhaps I could use -qoq; but what can I do when instead of a noun, there is a verb ?
If you’re looking for a non-punctuation, non-prosodic marker, {-law'} isn’t exactly the same as {-qoq} for verbs, but it could work in this particular case, and probably many others: {tIghchaj nubItlhmoHchu' borgh 'e' vIHarmo' jIbeplaw'} I appear to be complaining because I believe the Borg will make us completely conform to their customs In other words, I’m not complaining, I merely appear to be doing so.
I appear to be complaining because I believe the Borg will make us completely conform to their customs
In other words, I’m not complaining, I merely appear to be doing so.
I'm not certain that -law' is appropriate for "seem/appear to" in the sense of "give an impression (which I know to be false)". -law' expresses uncertainty about a statement, so {jIbeplaw'} would mean something like "based on the evidence available to me, I believe that I am complaining, but I might not be". It might be more appropriate to say something more like: bepwI' vIDa neH bepwI' vIrur neH bepwI' Ho'DoS rur neH Ho'DoSwIj //loghaD ________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Daniel Dadap <daniel@dadap.net> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 16:21 To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Expressing ""
On Apr 17, 2019, at 07:56, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
If instead of a verb, there was a noun, perhaps I could use -qoq; but what can I do when instead of a noun, there is a verb ?
If you’re looking for a non-punctuation, non-prosodic marker, {-law'} isn’t exactly the same as {-qoq} for verbs, but it could work in this particular case, and probably many others: {tIghchaj nubItlhmoHchu' borgh 'e' vIHarmo' jIbeplaw'} I appear to be complaining because I believe the Borg will make us completely conform to their customs In other words, I’m not complaining, I merely appear to be doing so. _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
On Apr 17, 2019, at 09:30, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
I appear to be complaining because I believe the Borg will make us completely conform to their customs
In other words, I’m not complaining, I merely appear to be doing so.
I'm not certain that -law' is appropriate for "seem/appear to" in the sense of "give an impression (which I know to be false)".
-law' expresses uncertainty about a statement, so {jIbeplaw'} would mean something like "based on the evidence available to me, I believe that I am complaining, but I might not be".
Yeah, immediately after sending that, I thought to myself that {-law'} is more like {-Hey} and probably doesn’t really work for this use, after all.
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