How do we say "because the terran burped at the table, the klingons declared war" ? Is there a way to express "burp" ? ~ m. qunen'oS keep calm and study Ca'Non
On 4/17/2019 4:09 PM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
How do we say "because the terran burped at the table, the klingons declared war" ?
Is there a way to express "burp" ?
nujvo' SIp vuj? raSDaq nujDajvo' SIp vujpu'mo' tera'ngan, noH lumaqpu' tlhInganpu'. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
I thought it was {ruq} (which is to expel gas from the body)? nujDajvo’ ruqmo’ tera’ngan… Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 17, 2019, at 16:22, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 4/17/2019 4:09 PM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: How do we say "because the terran burped at the table, the klingons declared war" ?
Is there a way to express "burp" ?
nujvo' SIp vuj?
raSDaq nujDajvo' SIp vujpu'mo' tera'ngan, noH lumaqpu' tlhInganpu'.
-- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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On 4/17/2019 4:38 PM, Jeffrey Clark wrote:
I thought it was {ruq} (which is to expel gas from the body)? nujDajvo’ ruqmo’ tera’ngan…
So it is! And I didn't find it in my dictionary because it appears as /belch,/ not /burp./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
lugh Jeffrey: (HQ 12.4:8): When air (or gas) from the stomach [{burgh}] works its way up and comes out of the mouth (often noisily), one is said to {ruq} "belch". Maltz said it is acceptable to refer to this gas as {SIp}, a general word for gas of any kind, but that gas produced within the body is known as {Qep'It}. When, rather than gas, undigested or partially digested food comes up, one is said to {'em}, "vomit"/// (MO to Lieven, 8/03/2015): The noun is {Qep'It} and the verb is {ruq}. Both of these words can be used for gas that comes up from your gut and out of your mouth and also for gas that goes down from your gut and out the other way. If it's necessary to make the distinction (for Klingons, it isn't always necessary), use phrases involving {nuj} [mouth] or {Hugh} [throat] or {Sa'Hut} [ass, rear end, buttocks]. SEE ALSO: rID digest (v) bor gurgle (v) rech exhale, breath out (v) ghagh gargle (v) ghup swallow (v) vuj expel, eject (v) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- From: Jeffrey Clark I thought it was {ruq} (which is to expel gas from the body)? nujDajvo’ ruqmo’ tera’ngan…
On Apr 17, 2019, at 16:22, SuStel wrote:
On 4/17/2019 4:09 PM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote: How do we say "because the terran burped at the table, the klingons declared war" ?
Is there a way to express "burp" ?
nujvo' SIp vuj?
raSDaq nujDajvo' SIp vujpu'mo' tera'ngan, noH lumaqpu' tlhInganpu'.
On Wednesday, 17 April 2019 21:48:18 BST Steven Boozer wrote:
(MO to Lieven, 8/03/2015): The noun is {Qep'It} and the verb is {ruq}. Both of these words can be used for gas that comes up from your gut and out of your mouth and also for gas that goes down from your gut and out the other way. If it's necessary to make the distinction (for Klingons, it isn't always necessary), use phrases involving {nuj} [mouth] or {Hugh} [throat] or {Sa'Hut} [ass, rear end, buttocks].
Hang about, I was about to ask a related question, but this seems to answer it. I was either unaware of this snippet, or had forgotten. This seems to indicate that *both* {Qep'It} and {ruq} can be used for gas that exits the mouth *and also* the other end. So would it be resonable to assume everyone's word-list/dictionary is also missing the extra definition word(s) that cover expelling gas from said other end?
Am 18.04.2019 um 09:22 schrieb Jeremy Silver:> This seems to indicate that *both* {Qep'It} and {ruq} can be used for gas that
exits the mouth *and also* the other end.
So would it be resonable to assume everyone's word-list/dictionary is also missing the extra definition word(s) that cover expelling gas from said other end?
I would not say so; {boQwI'} contains the word "fart" - although I don't think that word came directly from Okrand's mouth. [sorry for the bad pun, *haha*] -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Belching
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 09:33, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 18.04.2019 um 09:22 schrieb Jeremy Silver:
So would it be resonable to assume everyone's word-list/dictionary is also missing the extra definition word(s) that cover expelling gas from said other end?
I would not say so; {boQwI'} contains the word "fart" - although I don't think that word came directly from Okrand's mouth.
Indeed, I was surprised by mayqel's original message, because {boQwI'} recognises "burp" as a search term for {ruq} and {Qep'It} as well. -- De'vID
De'vID:
Indeed, I was surprised by mayqel's original message, because {boQwI'} recognises "burp" as a search term for {ruq} and {Qep'It} as well.
teH; 'a burp mu' lungaSbe' mu'meyvam tlhejbogh De''e'.. true; but the information which accompanies these words, doesn't mention the word "burp". ~ m. qunen'oS Ca'Non holy Ca'Non
Am 18.04.2019 um 10:53 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
true; but the information which accompanies these words, doesn't mention the word "burp".
Maybe just because "burp" is a synonym of "belch". It seems like "belch" is the more standard term, while "burp" is somehow a slang expression or a modern expression. compare https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/burp which refers to "belch" and https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/belch which does also not mention the word "burp" -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Belching
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 10:54, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
De'vID:
Indeed, I was surprised by mayqel's original message, because {boQwI'} recognises "burp" as a search term for {ruq} and {Qep'It} as well.
teH; 'a burp mu' lungaSbe' mu'meyvam tlhejbogh De''e'.. true; but the information which accompanies these words, doesn't mention the word "burp".
Uh... the definition for {ruq} includes the word "belch" and the notes for both say that to specific the gas comes from the mouth, use a phrase with {nuj}. Even if you didn't understand what "belch" means, isn't the concept of "gas coming out of the mouth" kind of clear? -- De'vID
Am 18.04.2019 um 11:29 schrieb De'vID:
Uh... the definition for {ruq} includes the word "belch" and the notes for both say that to specific the gas comes from the mouth, use a phrase with {nuj}. Even if you didn't understand what "belch" means, isn't the concept of "gas coming out of the mouth" kind of clear?
If I swallow Helium and speak with a funny squeaky voice, then there is also gas coming from my mouth... ehm.. okay, it's not gas produced by the body. *haha* just kidding. See my other ansr; I think mayqel was not aware of the similarity of belch and burp. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Belching
lieven:
See my other ansr; I think mayqel was not aware of the similarity of belch and burp.
You're right ! I thought that belch meant something like when a burp is on the way, and you stop it, so it doesn't manifest as the classic glorious burp.. Anyways, good to know. I don't know whether I can trust the marrion-webster dictionary though; I searched for the word Ca'Non, and it is nowhere to be found.. ~ m. qunen'oS
Speaking of gas and air going in and out of the mouth: (HQ 12.4:8): Air, for example, comes into and out of the nose or mouth. The word for breath is {tlhuH}, and that for breathe is also {tlhuH}. To breathe in, or inhale, is {pur}; to breathe out, or exhale, is {rech}. SEE ALSO: Hob yawn (v) tlhov wheeze (v) jev wheeze (v) chuy sneeze (v) And that's not to mention other mouth-related words (eat, bite, chew, suck, swallow, gargle, speak, mumble, whisper, etc.) or anatomical terms (mouth, tongue, palate, tongue, teeth, lips, etc.). All in all, quite a lot of vocabulary. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ---------------Original Message--------------- From: Lieven L. Litaer Am 18.04.2019 um 11:29 schrieb De'vID:
Uh... the definition for {ruq} includes the word "belch" and the notes for both say that to specific the gas comes from the mouth, use a phrase with {nuj}. Even if you didn't understand what "belch" means, isn't the concept of "gas coming out of the mouth" kind of clear?
If I swallow Helium and speak with a funny squeaky voice, then there is also gas coming from my mouth... ehm.. okay, it's not gas produced by the body. *haha* just kidding.
On Thursday, 18 April 2019 09:10:56 BST De'vID wrote:
On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 at 09:33, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 18.04.2019 um 09:22 schrieb Jeremy Silver:
So would it be reasonable to assume everyone's word-list/dictionary is also missing the extra definition word(s) that cover expelling gas from said other end?
I would not say so; {boQwI'} contains the word "fart" - although I don't think that word came directly from Okrand's mouth.
Indeed, I was surprised by mayqel's original message, because {boQwI'} recognises "burp" as a search term for {ruq} and {Qep'It} as well.
Fine, perhaps I exaggerated. Not *everyone*, just the some of us who don't have boQwI' constantly to hand, or use/maintain other lists.
On Wed, Apr 17, 2019, 22:09 mayqel qunen'oS, <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
How do we say "because the terran burped at the table, the klingons declared war" ?
Is there a way to express "burp" ?
From HolQeD 12.4: "When air (or gas) from the stomach works its way up and comes out of the mouth (often noisily), one is said to {ruq} "belch". Maltz said it is acceptable to refer to this gas as {SIp}, a general word for gas of any kind, but that gas produced within the body is known as {Qep'It}."
-- De'vID
Am 17.04.2019 um 22:09 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
How do we say "because the terran burped at the table, the klingons declared war" ?
Is there a way to express "burp" ?
Others have answered the question on the vocabulary. The Wiki contains a comment on the art of burping: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Belching Briefly, it is a common misconception that Klingons enjoy burping a lot. This impression is based on only two situations, of which none is a normal situation. PS: I know there is a third one in DSN, but I don't know whicwhere. Perhaps someone can tell me or make the addition to the wiki. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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