how do we say "from where did you ..."
How do I say "from where did you send the envelope ?" ? {nuqDaqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu' ?} I don't think that's correct. Or should I write: {Daqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu'; nuq 'oH Daqvam'e' ?} You sent the envelope from a location; what's this location ? or {Daqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu'; Daqvam yIngu'} You sent the envelope from a location; identify this location Perhaps the above are preferable, but can't I express the intended meaning in just one sentence ? ~ bara'qa'
How do I say "from where did you send the envelope ?" ?
{nuqDaqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu' ?}
Although I don't believe it's ever been made explicit in canon, I don't believe that *nuqDaqvo'* is correct; it should be {nuqvo'}. Consider that in TKD, it is mentioned that: "The word for where?, nuqDaq, is actually nuq what? followed by the suffix -Daq locative (see section 3.3.5)." It isn't unimaginable that nuqDaq would become fossilized as its own noun stem and thus be able to take Type-5 suffixes, but I'd argue that nuqvo' is both safer (because, idiomatic or not, it is certainly grammatical) and more in line with the description. -------------- I think just nuqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu'? would do the trick for this specific question (although I would ask if it's really the nav vaH that you're interested in; although we may talk about "sending an envelope" in English, we're normally much more interested in the contents of the envelope). If you then wish to bring that point of origin into another sentence, you could perhaps use the word mung ("origin"): - nuqvo' QIn DangeHpu'? - mung qaja'Qo'. - qatlh? - ghoqwI' SoHmo'. - ghuy'cha'! bISIj. - nuqvo' nISwI' DaQIqta'? - qatlh nISwI' mung DaSaH? - vaH qatru' jIH. - qar'a'? vaH qatru' jIH je! qaHoHnISbe' net jalchugh, maja'chuq 'e' wItIvlaw'. - Ha'! choHoHpa' nItebHa' qa'vIn wItlhutlh! - Hop veng. nuqvo' qa'vIn wIje'? - ram qa'vIn mung. - DalchoHpu' ja'chuqghachvam. *pyuu pyuu* - jIHeghba'lI'. ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, November 7, 2019 14:13 To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] how do we say "from where did you ..." How do I say "from where did you send the envelope ?" ? {nuqDaqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu' ?} I don't think that's correct. Or should I write: {Daqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu'; nuq 'oH Daqvam'e' ?} You sent the envelope from a location; what's this location ? or {Daqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu'; Daqvam yIngu'} You sent the envelope from a location; identify this location Perhaps the above are preferable, but can't I express the intended meaning in just one sentence ? ~ bara'qa'
On 11/7/2019 8:55 AM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
- *nuqvo' QIn DangeHpu'?* - *mung qaja'Qo'. * - *qatlh? * - *ghoqwI' SoHmo'.* - *ghuy'cha'! bISIj.* - *nuqvo' nISwI' DaQIqta'?* - *qatlh nISwI' mung DaSaH?* - *vaH qatru' jIH.* - *qar'a'? vaH qatru' jIH je! qaHoHnISbe' net jalchugh, maja'chuq 'e' wItIvlaw'.* - *Ha'! choHoHpa' nItebHa' qa'vIn wItlhutlh!* -***Hop veng. nuqvo' qa'vIn wIje'?* - *ram qa'vIn mung.* - *DalchoHpu' ja'chuqghachvam.* /*pyuu pyuu*/ - *jIHeghba'lI'.*
ja'chuqghachvam rurbogh latlh'e' poQ ghomvam. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:55:54 GMT Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
Consider that in TKD, it is mentioned that:
"The word for where?, nuqDaq, is actually nuq what? followed by the suffix -Daq locative (see section 3.3.5)."
So it does. I thought it was something slightly different, but that might have just been me. Now for me "where" is semantically equivalent to "what place", so is there anything that would disallow {nuq Daqvo'} ?
On 11/7/2019 11:10 AM, Jeremy Silver wrote:
On Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:55:54 GMT Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
Consider that in TKD, it is mentioned that:
"The word for where?, nuqDaq, is actually nuq what? followed by the suffix -Daq locative (see section 3.3.5)." So it does. I thought it was something slightly different, but that might have just been me.
Now for me "where" is semantically equivalent to "what place", so is there anything that would disallow {nuq Daqvo'} ?
The word *nuq* goes into the sentence where the answer would be. If the answer is a ship, the answer to *nuq Daqvo'* would not be *Duj Daqvo'*/from the ship's place;/**it would be *Dujvo'*/from the ship./ So *nuq Daqvo'* doesn't really do what you want it to do. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Is there anything (apologies if it was already discussed and I can’t find it) disallowing {nuqvo’}? Sent from my iPhone
On Nov 7, 2019, at 11:22, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 11/7/2019 11:10 AM, Jeremy Silver wrote:
On Thursday, 7 November 2019 13:55:54 GMT Felix Malmenbeck wrote: Consider that in TKD, it is mentioned that:
"The word for where?, nuqDaq, is actually nuq what? followed by the suffix -Daq locative (see section 3.3.5)." So it does. I thought it was something slightly different, but that might have just been me.
Now for me "where" is semantically equivalent to "what place", so is there anything that would disallow {nuq Daqvo'} ? The word nuq goes into the sentence where the answer would be. If the answer is a ship, the answer to nuq Daqvo' would not be Duj Daqvo' from the ship's place; it would be Dujvo' from the ship. So nuq Daqvo' doesn't really do what you want it to do.
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On 11/7/2019 11:41 AM, Jeffrey Clark wrote:
Is there anything (apologies if it was already discussed and I can’t find it) disallowing {nuqvo’}?
No. It's not said anywhere that it means /whence, from where,/ but it follows from *nuqDaq*/what + locative = where/ that *nuqvo'* is /what + ablative = whence, from where./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 at 14:13, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
How do I say "from where did you send the envelope ?" ?
{nuqDaqvo' nav vaH DangeHpu' ?}
I don't think that's correct.
Consider {nuqvo'}. TKD section 6.4 says {nuqDaq} is just {nuq} plus {-Daq}, and there's no reason why {nuq} can't take the suffix {-vo'}. -- De'vID
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