I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'
There is the expression «Dujmey law' chIjpu'.», from which you could get «Dujmey law' chIjpu'wI'». It is a bit cumbersome, though. You might use an analogy suggesting that somebody has survived many scrapes: «reghpu'wI'» - one who has bled «taqwI'» - one who is scarred «qab taq» - scarred face «SanDIy law' bajta'wI'» - one who has earned many battle scars «taghwI' taHwI' je» - a beginner and an endurer I also kind of like the idea of calling somebody a «qutluch boch», but I think that'd be more to do with how active somebody is, rather than how much they've been through. //loghaD ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:02:54 AM To: Klingon language email discussion forum Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'
In spite of my advocacy of {chu'wI'} earlier, I really like the sound of {taghwI'} vs. {taHwI'}. It's also a good example of proper enunciation. --Voragh From: Felix Malmenbeck <taghwI' taHwI' je> - a beginner and an endurer //loghaD ________________________________ From: Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net<mailto:qunchuy@alcaco.net>> I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'
Am 13.07.2018 um 07:02 schrieb Alan Anderson:
I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory?
That's indeed an interesting question. My first idea was {po'wI'} but that's way more than just "having done something". If you prefer a general term, maybe {taHwI'} can work, but I think that sounds odd. Instead of using a generel term, I'd suggest using the verb of action, for instance {Sopta'bogh vay'} "someone who has eaten already". In a game, the {chu'wI'} is the new one, while the {QujwI'} is a player, who is playing already. Maybe even woith a suffix {QujtaHwI'}. Or, my last suggestion, is not to use any general term at all, and just say what's going on: - {chu'wI' ghaH'a'?} - {ghobe'. wa'Hu' paw 'ej Hoch leghpu'.} - "Is she a newbie?" - "No, she arrived yesterday and has seen everything." PS: veteran in the military sense might be {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI' qan}. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
Am 13.07.2018 um 07:02 schrieb Alan Anderson:
I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory?
Didn't we used to use {chu'wI'} back when this list started -- in the 1990's? - for novice, newcomer to the list, or newcomer (to the KLI's old "Klingon Educational Virtual Environment" MUSH ). In fact, Keith DeCandido used it in his novel "Klingon Empire: A Burning House": (KEBH): Literally means trigger but has also come to be slang for rookie or beginner (or newbie). IIRC some people liked the fact that it also meant trigger, as novices' questions would often trigger interesting discussions. Lieven:
That's indeed an interesting question. My first idea was {po'wI'} but that's way more than just "having done something". If you prefer a general term, maybe {taHwI'} can work, but I think that sounds odd. [....] PS: veteran in the military sense might be {SuvwI' po'} or {SuvwI' qan}.
Not all veterans are {po'} -- they may just have been {Do'}. <g> If you don't like De'vID's suggestion of {ngo'wI'}, I rather like {taHwI'} "one who endures, survivor". In fact I was going to suggest it myself before I saw Lieven already had. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
On Fri, Jul 13, 2018, 07:03 Alan Anderson, <qunchuy@alcaco.net> wrote:
I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory?
I'll suggest the obvious antonym: {ngo'wI'} -- De'vID
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