There is the expression «Dujmey law' chIjpu'.», from which you could get «Dujmey law' chIjpu'wI'». It is a bit cumbersome, though. You might use an analogy suggesting that somebody has survived many scrapes: «reghpu'wI'» - one who has bled «taqwI'» - one who is scarred «qab taq» - scarred face «SanDIy law' bajta'wI'» - one who has earned many battle scars «taghwI' taHwI' je» - a beginner and an endurer I also kind of like the idea of calling somebody a «qutluch boch», but I think that'd be more to do with how active somebody is, rather than how much they've been through. //loghaD ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of Alan Anderson <qunchuy@alcaco.net> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2018 7:02:54 AM To: Klingon language email discussion forum Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] "rookie" vs "veteran" I am trying to find a pair of relatively simple words that I can use to label people as the equivalent of rookies (it's their first time experiencing something) or veterans (they've been through it before). I like {chu'wI'} "newcomer", but I can't decide what to use as its counterpart. Have any of you ever needed this kind of distinction, and if so, did you come up with anything satisfactory? -- ghunchu'wI'