In english one can say: "I learn klingon rather than vulcan" ; meaning simply "I don't learn vulcan, I learn klingon". On the other hand one can say "I'd rather learn klingon instead of vulcan", expressing a preference: "I prefer to learn klingon instead of vulcan". So, the question is, is the {'e' qa'} just a "neutral" "rather/instead of", or is it (too) the wishful "I'd rather ?" The way I understand it, it seems to be the neutral variant, but I would like to make certain. ~ mayqel qunen'oS
On 12/10/2018 11:57 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
In english one can say:
"I learn klingon rather than vulcan" ; meaning simply "I don't learn vulcan, I learn klingon".
On the other hand one can say "I'd rather learn klingon instead of vulcan", expressing a preference: "I prefer to learn klingon instead of vulcan".
So, the question is, is the {'e' qa'} just a "neutral" "rather/instead of", or is it (too) the wishful "I'd rather ?"
The way I understand it, it seems to be the neutral variant, but I would like to make certain.
In English the preference is expressed by /I'd rather/ or /I'd prefer,/ not by the /instead of/ or /rather than./ Klingon *'e' qa'* is neutral as to preference. In Klingon these could be expressed thus: *tlhIngan Hol vIghoj; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' qa'. */I learn Klingon instead of Vulcan./ *tlhIngan Hol vIghoj 'e' vImaS; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' vImaS 'e' qa'. */I prefer to learn Klingon instead of Vulcan./ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Or perhaps even *vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS.* On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 12:23 PM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 12/10/2018 11:57 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
In english one can say:
"I learn klingon rather than vulcan" ; meaning simply "I don't learn vulcan, I learn klingon".
On the other hand one can say "I'd rather learn klingon instead of vulcan", expressing a preference: "I prefer to learn klingon instead of vulcan".
So, the question is, is the {'e' qa'} just a "neutral" "rather/instead of", or is it (too) the wishful "I'd rather ?"
The way I understand it, it seems to be the neutral variant, but I would like to make certain.
In English the preference is expressed by *I'd rather* or *I'd prefer,* not by the *instead of* or *rather than.* Klingon *'e' qa'* is neutral as to preference.
In Klingon these could be expressed thus:
*tlhIngan Hol vIghoj; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' qa'. **I learn Klingon instead of Vulcan.*
*tlhIngan Hol vIghoj 'e' vImaS; vulqangan Hol vIghoj 'e' vImaS 'e' qa'. **I prefer to learn Klingon instead of Vulcan.*
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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On 12/10/2018 1:14 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
Or perhaps even
*vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS.*
/In order that I learn it, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan./ Klingon does not have a purpose of being preferable so that you learn it. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
Where is the verbal prefix vI- represented in that rendering? On Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 12:23 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name wrote:
On 12/10/2018 1:14 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
Or perhaps even
*vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS.*
*In order that I learn it, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan.*
Klingon does not have a purpose of being preferable so that you learn it.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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Or was what you wrote a comment? lay'tel SIvten On Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 12:48 MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com wrote:
Where is the verbal prefix vI- represented in that rendering?
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018, 12:23 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name wrote:
On 12/10/2018 1:14 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
Or perhaps even
*vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS.*
*In order that I learn it, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan.*
Klingon does not have a purpose of being preferable so that you learn it.
-- SuStelhttp://trimboli.name
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On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 12/10/2018 1:14 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
Or perhaps even
*vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS.*
*In order that I learn it, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan.*
Klingon does not have a purpose of being preferable so that you learn it.
We already know that *-meH* clauses can be interpreted as "for the purpose of", especially with stative verbs. *Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam "*For the purpose of someone dying, today is good," not "Someone dying is the purpose of today being good." *tlhutlhmeH HIq ngeb qaq law' bIQ qaq puS* "For the purposes of drinking, fake ale is preferable to water", not "Drinking is the purpose of fake ale being preferable to water." and thus *vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS* "For the purposes of my learning, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan."
On 12/10/2018 2:34 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 1:22 PM SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name <mailto:sustel@trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 12/10/2018 1:14 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:
Or perhaps even
*vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS.*
/In order that I learn it, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan./
Klingon does not have a purpose of being preferable so that you learn it.
We already know that *-meH* clauses can be interpreted as "for the purpose of", especially with stative verbs.
*Heghlu'meH QaQ jajvam "*For the purpose of someone dying, today is good," not "Someone dying is the purpose of today being good." * * *tlhutlhmeH HIq ngeb qaq law' bIQ qaq puS* "For the purposes of drinking, fake ale is preferable to water", not "Drinking is the purpose of fake ale being preferable to water."
and thus
*vIghojmeH tlhIngan Hol qaq law' vulqangan Hol qaq puS* "For the purposes of my learning, Klingon is preferable to Vulcan."
muponpu' pojlIj. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
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