I just saw naHqun post on qabpaq, that we have received a word for "orion" {'oray} {'orayya'}. I wasn't aware of this; when did we receive this word ? Was there any explanation accompanying it ? Is there Ca'NoN here I'm missing ? Can someone enlighten me, so as to avoid standing before qeylIS unprepared, when my time to join the black fleet finally comes ? ~ mayqel qunen'oS
I would hazard a guess Lieven commented this elsewhere on qabpaq at least 42 weeks ago. It probably stemmed from request about a Discovery subtitle, and only two people saw it. On Sunday, 9 December 2018 06:42:54 GMT mayqel qunenoS wrote:
I just saw naHqun post on qabpaq, that we have received a word for "orion" {'oray} {'orayya'}.
I wasn't aware of this; when did we receive this word ? Was there any explanation accompanying it ?
Is there Ca'NoN here I'm missing ?
Can someone enlighten me, so as to avoid standing before qeylIS unprepared, when my time to join the black fleet finally comes ?
~ mayqel qunen'oS
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 06:42:54 GMT mayqel qunenoS wrote:
I just saw naHqun post on qabpaq, that we have received a word for "orion" {'oray} {'orayya'}.
Am 09.12.2018 um 10:43 schrieb Jeremy Silver:
I would hazard a guess Lieven commented this elsewhere on qabpaq at least 42 weeks ago. It probably stemmed from request about a Discovery subtitle, and only two people saw it.
Well, that's partially right, but it's definitely true that this canon word is missing from the KLI's new word list and also from boQwI'. Indeed, the word had first appeared publically in a subtitle of DSC episode 1.15 on February 5, 2018: "The land was given to the Orions," {'oraynganpu'vaD puH noblu'} "In my world, the Orions are delinquents, pirates, slave traders" {qo'wIjDaq, HeSwI', toy'wI''a' mechwI' je chaH 'orayngan'e'.} The new words were published on the exact same day at the Klingon Language Wiki: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsNetflix The words also appear in the tlhInganHolmu'ghom, of which I'm still wondering who made it: https://tlhinganholmughom.wordpress.com/2018/02/23/26/ {'orayngan} was also mentioned on twitter on February 12: https://twitter.com/pIqaD/status/964709812629131266/photo/1 So it was not seen by only two people ;-) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:34:18 GMT Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 06:42:54 GMT mayqel qunenoS wrote:
I just saw naHqun post on qabpaq, that we have received a word for "orion" {'oray} {'orayya'}.
Am 09.12.2018 um 10:43 schrieb Jeremy Silver:
I would hazard a guess Lieven commented this elsewhere on qabpaq at least 42 weeks ago. It probably stemmed from request about a Discovery subtitle, and only two people saw it.
Well, that's partially right, but it's definitely true that this canon word is missing from the KLI's new word list and also from boQwI'. So it was not seen by only two people ;-)
I admit to being somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but wow I was only off by two ;). FWIW It was also missing from Hol 'ampaS and unless there is some trick I am not aware of, I find it difficult to find things in your wiki.
Am 09.12.2018 um 16:22 schrieb Jeremy Silver:
I admit to being somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but wow I was only off by two ;).
haha - no problem.
FWIW It was also missing from Hol 'ampaS and unless there is some trick I am not aware of, I find it difficult to find things in your wiki.
Well, I'm open for any kind of suggestions for improvement. There are several approaches: - The basic search field, which is always at the bottom of the left menu, lets you search for page titles and also their contents. Searching for "Orion" leads to the new words page. http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/WebSearch - If you roughly know (or guess) the name of the page, you can go to the list of all pages and then just browse til you find it, or search using your browser search (Ctlr+F). In this case, you need to know that the word appeared in Netflic subtitles, of course, and then find the page "NewWordsNetflix". http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/WebTopicList - Many people observe the changes list of the Wiki, which always tells you what's new. Just see here what has happened lately: http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/WebChanges - You can also get automatic messages for cahnges, which are either connected to a specific topic, or to the entire wiki. They are sent once a day at 10 pm European time, so not bothering too much. But you will be warned if there is a new page, so you don't miss anything new appearing. http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/WebNotify Nevertheless, any suggestions are welcome. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/AboutEn/Welcome
The wiki has only 'oray but it doesn't have the 'orayya'; so is the 'orayya' Ca'NoN too ? ~ mayqel qunen'oS
Am 09.12.2018 um 21:36 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
The wiki has only 'oray but it doesn't have the 'orayya'; so is the 'orayya' Ca'NoN too ?
Yes, true. I just noticed I uploaded that wiki page in a hurry to get the words out asap, so I missed that one, including some more strange typos. The spelling {'orayya'} was not used in the subtitles, that's why it didn't appear in that list. But it's certainly correct and canon, and based on the {-ya'} story described in KGT. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsNetflix
I must meet this "history of fruit" someday. We got the word for "Orion" about 42 weeks ago on an episode of Discovery as part of the Klingon subtitles. It's been confirmed as canon. Both {'orayngan} and {'orayya'ngan} work. ~naHQun Sent from my Palm Prē -------- Original message --------From: mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Date: 12/9/18 01:42 (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: [tlhIngan Hol] Orion I just saw naHqun post on qabpaq, that we have received a word for "orion" {'oray} {'orayya'}. I wasn't aware of this; when did we receive this word ? Was there any explanation accompanying it ? Is there Ca'NoN here I'm missing ? Can someone enlighten me, so as to avoid standing before qeylIS unprepared, when my time to join the black fleet finally comes ? ~ mayqel qunen'oS
Am 09.12.2018 um 07:42 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
I just saw naHqun post on qabpaq, that we have received a word for "orion" {'oray} {'orayya'}.
I wasn't aware of this; when did we receive this word ? Was there any explanation accompanying it ?
I just dug out the relevant message from the communication between Marc Qov and me, and it seems obvious that we just forgot forwarding the entire bit due to all of the excitement and time pressure during the production of the show. Here are Okrand's thoughts about it: ---- I'd probably go with {'orayya'} to match other planet (and place) names ending with {-ya'} like {DenIbya'} and {'orghenya'}. But there are also non-{-ya'} versions of these: {DenIb}, {'orghen}. It's not clear why {-ya'} is (apparently) optional, but, given that that seems to be the case, there could be both {'orayya'} and {'oray}. All of which is a long way of saying that your {'oray} for "Orion" (the planet) and {'orayngan} for "Orion" the person/being/inhabitant are fine (as are {'orayya'} and {'orayya'ngan}). (footnote: Actually, In TKD, {DenIb} and {DenIbya'} are both glossed "Denebia." But that's an error. The planet name in English is Deneb, not Denebia. But this coming-and-going -ya' thing crept its way into the English side of the dictionary somehow. HIvqa' veqlargh! The Klingon, however, is correct: there are two versions of this name.) ---- -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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