For the Klingon subtitles in episode 114, Marc Okrand could get Maltz to talk again, and revealed the following words. All of the following are direct quotes of Okrand: {QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose. This includes ideas like "last-ditch, do-or-die, hopeless, doomed." {maleSya'} n. Malaysia Think of {rang} as "be responsible for." As I mentioned, it takes an object ({ngoy'} does not). {rang} cannot be used as an adjective. ------- Using {qaw} "remember" seems to work in your example of {Dochmey qawbogh} "things he remembers/remembered." But I agree — it's a little awkward. And what one remembers should probably be described as something better or descriptive than simply "things." We've got {qawHaq} "memory banks." Maltz didn't know what {Haq} in this word was. (He said it has nothing to do with surgery — that's just a coincidence.) But {qaw}, he said, is a perfectly fine noun meaning "memory" in the sense of the ability to remember or the power of recall. It does not refer to specific memories or recollections. That's a different word: {wov'on}. It's more common to hear {wov'on qaw} "he/she remembers a memory" than {wov'on ghaj} "he/she has a memory," though the colloquial (English) translation of the former would be "he/she has a memory." Someone who remembers a lot of stuff or who can easily remember things (like dates or lines of a play) may be said to have a {qaw pov} "excellent memory." ------- Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work: {A-mey patlhmoH C} "C sorts his A" (for instance, his socks) Okrand said: ------- In general, yes. I suppose you could say this if A means "socks," but that would imply that the person doing the sorting likes or values some socks more than some others. ------- (so it wouldn't be used to clean your room. It's still about ranking.) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/DSC114
lieven:
Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work: {A-mey patlhmoH C}
Is there something missing from your post ? Before this point, where does 'oqranD make reference of a verb {patlh} ? ~ nI'ghma On Feb 6, 2018 12:14 PM, "Lieven L. Litaer" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
For the Klingon subtitles in episode 114, Marc Okrand could get Maltz to talk again, and revealed the following words. All of the following are direct quotes of Okrand:
{QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose. This includes ideas like "last-ditch, do-or-die, hopeless, doomed."
{maleSya'} n. Malaysia
Think of {rang} as "be responsible for." As I mentioned, it takes an object ({ngoy'} does not). {rang} cannot be used as an adjective.
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Using {qaw} "remember" seems to work in your example of {Dochmey qawbogh} "things he remembers/remembered."
But I agree — it's a little awkward. And what one remembers should probably be described as something better or descriptive than simply "things."
We've got {qawHaq} "memory banks." Maltz didn't know what {Haq} in this word was. (He said it has nothing to do with surgery — that's just a coincidence.) But {qaw}, he said, is a perfectly fine noun meaning "memory" in the sense of the ability to remember or the power of recall. It does not refer to specific memories or recollections. That's a different word: {wov'on}.
It's more common to hear {wov'on qaw} "he/she remembers a memory" than {wov'on ghaj} "he/she has a memory," though the colloquial (English) translation of the former would be "he/she has a memory." Someone who remembers a lot of stuff or who can easily remember things (like dates or lines of a play) may be said to have a {qaw pov} "excellent memory."
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Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work: {A-mey patlhmoH C} "C sorts his A" (for instance, his socks) Okrand said:
------- In general, yes. I suppose you could say this if A means "socks," but that would imply that the person doing the sorting likes or values some socks more than some others. -------
(so it wouldn't be used to clean your room. It's still about ranking.)
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/DSC114 _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Is there something missing from your post ? Before this point, where does 'oqranD make reference of a verb {patlh} ?
I haven't seen this, either. It seems an e-mail might've gotten lost on its way to the list.
Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work: {A-mey patlhmoH C} "C sorts his A" (for instance, his socks)
So, I take it that «patlhmoH» means something like "rank" (fitting, given the meaning of the noun «patlh»). I wonder if this could also be another sequence, i.e. deciding in which order you will wear your socks next weeks, even if the sequence is not in order of importance. For simply gathering one's socks, one could probably use «yIr». For tidying up, one could use «ghIHHa'moH». However, it would be useful to have something for "sort (into categories)"; for example, organizing socks by color, or length, or separating child A's socks from child B's socks. «paSloghvaD Qur pabmoH.» comes to mind, or «DaqDaj tlhInDaq ngIq paSlogh lan.», but I'm not sure. //loghaD ________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> on behalf of mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 13:12 To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] new words episode 14 and 15 lieven:
Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work: {A-mey patlhmoH C}
Is there something missing from your post ? Before this point, where does 'oqranD make reference of a verb {patlh} ? ~ nI'ghma On Feb 6, 2018 12:14 PM, "Lieven L. Litaer" <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>> wrote: For the Klingon subtitles in episode 114, Marc Okrand could get Maltz to talk again, and revealed the following words. All of the following are direct quotes of Okrand: {QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose. This includes ideas like "last-ditch, do-or-die, hopeless, doomed." {maleSya'} n. Malaysia Think of {rang} as "be responsible for." As I mentioned, it takes an object ({ngoy'} does not). {rang} cannot be used as an adjective. ------- Using {qaw} "remember" seems to work in your example of {Dochmey qawbogh} "things he remembers/remembered." But I agree - it's a little awkward. And what one remembers should probably be described as something better or descriptive than simply "things." We've got {qawHaq} "memory banks." Maltz didn't know what {Haq} in this word was. (He said it has nothing to do with surgery - that's just a coincidence.) But {qaw}, he said, is a perfectly fine noun meaning "memory" in the sense of the ability to remember or the power of recall. It does not refer to specific memories or recollections. That's a different word: {wov'on}. It's more common to hear {wov'on qaw} "he/she remembers a memory" than {wov'on ghaj} "he/she has a memory," though the colloquial (English) translation of the former would be "he/she has a memory." Someone who remembers a lot of stuff or who can easily remember things (like dates or lines of a play) may be said to have a {qaw pov} "excellent memory." ------- Regarding the verb "compare", I (Lieven) asked whether this would work: {A-mey patlhmoH C} "C sorts his A" (for instance, his socks) Okrand said: ------- In general, yes. I suppose you could say this if A means "socks," but that would imply that the person doing the sorting likes or values some socks more than some others. ------- (so it wouldn't be used to clean your room. It's still about ranking.) -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/DSC114 _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org<mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org> http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 06.02.2018 um 16:36 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
'oqranD:
{QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose.
Is there any other kind of desperate ? I'm asking since english is not my native language, in case I'm missing something with regards to the meaning of "desperate".
Yes, there is. A native speaker might explain better, but the word desperate can also be used in a phrase like "he was desperate to help me", meaning "he really wanted/needed to help me". -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 10:36 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
'oqranD:
{QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose.
Is there any other kind of desperate ? I'm asking since english is not my native language, in case I'm missing something with regards to the meaning of "desperate".
Yes. It could mean that someone really desires something. "He was desperate for a cigarette" or "She was desperate for a cup of water". It can also mean someone is dangerous, "Police advise people to not approach the desperate criminal." I believe {QIl} is more for {nab QIl lunID tlhInganpu'} - "The Klingons try the desperate plan" (it's a do-or-die plan, most will die from it, but it's the only plan that will work). Could {QIl} be a pun for "kill" since that's what tends to happen to people who do desperate plans? :D qurgh
On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 05:36:32PM +0200, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
'oqranD:
{QIl} v. "be desperate", as when there's no way out, they have nothing to lose.
Is there any other kind of desperate ? I'm asking since english is not my native language, in case I'm missing something with regards to the meaning of "desperate".
The word "desperate" can describe either a situation with the characteristics mentioned above (or a person in such a situation), or it can be used metaphorically to describe a person who really, really wants something. what I think Marc is trying to convey is that {QIl} only applies to the former case (although it's not clear from that snippet whether it refers to the situation or the person), and can't be used to translate a sentence like "I'm desperate for a coffee right now", which really just means that you really, really want some caffeine. - SapIr
Am 06.02.2018 um 19:14 schrieb kechpaja:
to the situation or the person), and can't be used to translate a sentence like "I'm desperate for a coffee right now", which really just means that you really, really want some caffeine.
For this, Okrand suggested using suffixes: ---begin quote------------ My interpretation of "desperate" in the third sentence ("You were desperate to save us") is a little different. Here I think it means something more like "eager for, longing for, in real need of, having a great desire for" and so on. For this, you could get by with the suffixes {-nIS} and {-qu'}: {jutoDnISqu'} (or {chetoDnISqu'}; or perhaps with {neHqu'}: {jutoD DaneHqu'} (or {chetoD boneHqu'}). ---end quote------------ -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/DSC115
I may have missed an email, but isn't patlhmoH what you want? From Lieven's post: "Perhaps the verb patlh be ranked, have a status, be graded will work. The form patlhmoH would mean rank, assign status, sort and also compare. When used with the compare meaning, of course, the object of the verb is always plural. The implication that if two (or more) things are ranked or sorted, they're ranked in comparison to one another." We also have the verbs: buv classify (v) poj analyze (v) gher compile (v) chov assess, evaluate, test (v) --Voragh From: Felix Malmenbeck However, it would be useful to have something for "sort (into categories)"; for example, organizing socks by color, or length, or separating child A's socks from child B's socks. <paSloghvaD Qur pabmoH.> comes to mind, or <DaqDaj tlhInDaq ngIq paSlogh lan.>, but I'm not sure. //loghaD
On 2/6/2018 3:21 PM, kechpaja wrote:
On Tue, Feb 06, 2018 at 04:02:04PM +0000, Steven Boozer wrote:
gher compile (v) De'wI' mIw wIgherlaH'a'? qoj vay' bop De' neH wIgherlaH'a'?
ghaytanHa' De'wI' bop mu'vam. vabDot DIvI' HolvaD tlhach mu' 'oH mu'vam'e'. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Feb 6, 2018, at 7:43 AM, Felix Malmenbeck <felixm@kth.se> wrote:
However, it would be useful to have something for "sort (into categories)"; for example, organizing socks by color, or length, or separating child A's socks from child B's socks. «paSloghvaD Qur pabmoH.» comes to mind, or «DaqDaj tlhInDaq ngIq paSlogh lan.», but I'm not sure.
You’re looking for {buv} “classify”. -- ghunchu'wI'
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