yaS yoH law' jagh yoH puS the officer is braver than the enemy mang yoH law' jagh yoH puS je the soldier is braver than the enemy too Can we use {je} "too" this way? -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ
On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 14:34, D qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
yaS yoH law' jagh yoH puS the officer is braver than the enemy
mang yoH law' jagh yoH puS je the soldier is braver than the enemy too
Can we use {je} "too" this way?
I would understand it, but we have no information that this is correct (though it might be). TKD 5.3: <The noun conjunction {je} has an additional function: when it follows a verb, it means "also, too". {qaleghpu' je} "I also saw you, I saw you too"> What's the "verb" in a comparative construction? It might be that you have to put {je} after each {yoH}, or it might be that {je} follows both {law'} and {puS}. We simply don't know. I'd avoid it. -- De'vID
De'vID:
What's the "verb" in a comparative construction? It might be that you have to put {je} after each {yoH}, or it might be that {je} follows both {law'} and {puS}. We simply don't know.
Interesting. I hadn't thought of this issue. But how could we express the desired meaning in another way? How could we say "the officer is braver than then enemy; the soldier is braver than the enemy too"? -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ
On 6/3/2022 10:26 AM, D qunen'oS wrote:
But how could we express the desired meaning in another way? How could we say "the officer is braver than then enemy; the soldier is braver than the enemy too"?
yaS yoH law' jagh yoH puS 'ej mang yoH law' jagh yoH puS. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
My first thought was simply to combine the two thoughts: yaS mang je yoH law' jagh yoH puS ... but I don't think we've ever seen two nouns compared with one noun. We know that you can preface the law'/puS formula with a subordinate clause or time/place stamp. Perhaps you can do it with an adverbial such as {vabDot} "moreover, furthermore, even, in addition": yaS yoH law' jagh yoH puS; vabDot mang yoH law' jagh yoH puS. ... which makes the second comparison sound like an afterthought. So far, SuStel's suggestion is the only one supported by canon. We've seen -- only once AFAIK -- two law'/puS formulas used in one sentence connected by {'ej} : <DujvamDaq tlhIngan nuH tu'lu'bogh> pov law' Hoch pov puS 'ej <DujvamDaq 'op SuvwI' tu'lu'bogh> po' law' <tlhIngan yo' SuvwI' law'> po' puS It [IKC Pagh] has the best weapons and some of the finest warriors in the Klingon fleet. (S7) I've <bracketed> the noun phrases being compared in this very complicated sentence. Did you notice the extra {law'} in the third noun phrase? Voragh -----------------------------------Original Message----------------------------------- From: tlhIngan-Hol On Behalf Of SuStel On 6/3/2022 10:26 AM, D qunen'oS wrote:
But how could we express the desired meaning in another way? How could we say "the officer is braver than then enemy; the soldier is braver than the enemy too"?
yaS yoH law' jagh yoH puS 'ej mang yoH law' jagh yoH puS. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
voragh:
I've <bracketed> the noun phrases being compared in this very complicated sentence. Did you notice the extra {law'} in the third noun phrase?
Yes, I did! And the brackets helped too, since that's indeed one complicated sentence. -- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ
Just to add that “too” is highly optional, since it doesn’t add meaning to the sentence(s). {jaS yoH law’ jag yoH puS. mang yoH law’ jag yoH puS.} Saying two sentences with a common context says what you mean just fine. Anyone following the context gets what you mean. You just want to use {je} because the English version says “too”. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Jun 3, 2022, at 8:33 AM, D qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
yaS yoH law' jagh yoH puS the officer is braver than the enemy
mang yoH law' jagh yoH puS je the soldier is braver than the enemy too
Can we use {je} "too" this way?
-- Dana'an https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/ <https://sacredtextsinklingon.wordpress.com/> Ζεὺς ἦν, Ζεὺς ἐστίν, Ζεὺς ἔσσεται· ὦ μεγάλε Ζεῦ _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
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