Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, June 03, 2019 Klingon word: magh Part of speech: verb Definition: indicate, reveal Source: This Klingon Word of the Day is brought to you by qurgh (qurgh@kli.org).
Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, June 03, 2019 Klingon word: magh Part of speech: verb Definition: indicate, reveal _______________________________________________ My notes indicated that this was a spurious entry from the "Klingon Linguistic Studies" section of the Paramount-sponsored Star Trek Continuum website -- possibly an error for {'agh} "show, demonstrate, display" (which was published in KGT). Does anyone know any more about this? AFAIK the verb {magh} means "betray"; the noun {magh} is a grass-like plant. SEE ALSO: 'ang show, reveal (v) cha' show, reveal (picture) (v) 'otHa' disclose, divulge, premiere (v) -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 17:43 Steven Boozer, <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, June 03, 2019
Klingon word: magh Part of speech: verb Definition: indicate, reveal _______________________________________________
My notes indicated that this was a spurious entry from the "Klingon Linguistic Studies" section of the Paramount-sponsored Star Trek Continuum website -- possibly an error for {'agh} "show, demonstrate, display" (which was published in KGT). Does anyone know any more about this?
It has nothing to do with {'agh}. The Star Trek Continuum website "helpfully" "expanded" the definition of "betray" using a thesaurus. This was done by someone who was neither Marc Okrand nor familiar with the Klingon language. -- De'vID
Thanks, De’vID. I did wonder about that (even as I suggested it) as I believe KGT was published several years after the Star Trek Continuum material appeared. -- Voragh From: De'vID On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 17:43 Steven Boozer, <sboozer@uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu>> wrote: Klingon Word of the Day for Monday, June 03, 2019 Klingon word: magh Part of speech: verb Definition: indicate, reveal _______________________________________________ My notes indicated that this was a spurious entry from the "Klingon Linguistic Studies" section of the Paramount-sponsored Star Trek Continuum website -- possibly an error for {'agh} "show, demonstrate, display" (which was published in KGT). Does anyone know any more about this? It has nothing to do with {'agh}. The Star Trek Continuum website "helpfully" "expanded" the definition of "betray" using a thesaurus. This was done by someone who was neither Marc Okrand nor familiar with the Klingon language. -- De'vID
On Jun 4, 2019, at 05:07, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com> wrote:
The Star Trek Continuum website "helpfully" "expanded" the definition of "betray" using a thesaurus.
Out of curiosity, how was the word used there? I don’t know what Star Trek Continuum is, but when I searched for it I found what appears to be a video game mod. I wasn’t able to find any Klingon text on the Sourceforge or Steam pages for this mod, nor was I able to find a web presence for it beyond those pages.
Am 04.06.2019 um 15:18 schrieb Daniel Dadap:
Out of curiosity, how was the word used there?
The Klingon Wiki usually has the answers: www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekContinuum The words in there were just displayed as word plus definition, and a phrase; nothing more. And yes, indeed, there's a game with the same name, but not related to this. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de
On Jun 4, 2019, at 08:24, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
The Klingon Wiki usually has the answers: www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekContinuum
The words in there were just displayed as word plus definition, and a phrase; nothing more.
Ah, thanks. Not sure how I never knew about that, since I was definitely using the web and watching a lot of Star Trek in 1996. Too bad it’s not properly preserved, although I suppose it’s not a great loss as far as Klingon is concerned if they really were doing things like saying {magh} can mean “indicate, reveal”.
I don't have anything else listed for *{magh}. The KLS example phrases for the verbs were usually just one word. E.g. Dogh be foolish "Quality, to be lacking in good sense, or to be frivolous." (KLS) - bIDogh You are silly. (KLS) Dun be wonderful "Quality, to be outstanding, or worthy of admiration." (KLS) - maDun We are wonderful. (KLS) As De'vID mentioned, although the extended definitions were not written by Okrand but by KLS staff, the examples were seen by him: IIRC if you clicked on one you would hear Okrand pronounce the word. In a few cases this was useful in determining transitivity when one of the "object prefixes" was used. E.g. DuQ stab "Verb, to strike at with a sharp object... refers to a thrusting motion made by a pointed weapon, usually a knife." (KLS) - qaDuQ I stab you. (KLS) Most of the time however it was obvious that the English verb was transitive, even if the Klingon verb was otherwise unattested in canon at the time. I wrote them down because at the time - the 1990's I believe? - what little we had information we had was better than nothing. Nowadays we have a LOT more canon to look at and discuss. -- Voragh -----Original Message----- From: Lieven L. Litaer Am 04.06.2019 um 15:18 schrieb Daniel Dadap:
Out of curiosity, how was the word used there?
The Klingon Wiki usually has the answers: www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekContinuum The words in there were just displayed as word plus definition, and a phrase; nothing more. -----Original Message----- From: De'vID The Star Trek Continuum website "helpfully" "expanded" the definition of "betray" using a thesaurus. This was done by someone who was neither Marc Okrand nor familiar with the Klingon language.
On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 at 16:56, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
I don't have anything else listed for *{magh}.
The entire entry just read: "Verb, to commit treason. Also to indicate, reveal." Holtej investigated this in 1996 (at that point, it wasn't clear yet that the definition hadn't come from Okrand): https://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/1996/July/msg01059.html In this 1999 update, he explains the origin of the spurious definitions: https://www.kli.org/tlhIngan-Hol/1999/May/msg00420.html -- De'vID
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