Good morning! while working on the wiki I notived something that made me wonder: There is an option to mark a word as "loanword", and also an option to mark things which are explained by Maltz as "this is a Terran thing". While editing, I noticed that basically ALL terran things are loanwords, of course. OTOH, all loanwords probably are Terran things, most likely (except for very few in-universe things). So my point is: Does it make sense to have these two categories? Shouldn't it be just "loanword for terran things"? I'm interested in your opinions. Lieven. https://klingon.wiki/Word/Categoryterranthing
On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:34 AM Lieven Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Good morning!
while working on the wiki I notived something that made me wonder:
There is an option to mark a word as "loanword", and also an option to mark things which are explained by Maltz as "this is a Terran thing". While editing, I noticed that basically ALL terran things are loanwords, of course.
There are a few things of Terran origin which are described with purely Klingon-origin words (not using loanwords), e.g., {may'ron raS}, {Ha'DIbaH ghIH tIr ngogh je}, and of course the list of things which are {tera' X} where {X} is the equivalent Klingon thing.
OTOH, all loanwords probably are Terran things, most likely (except for very few in-universe things).
Are you counting loanwords from languages other than Federation Standard? ;-) For example, {qajunpaQ} is a loanword from a language on Krios, and {ghormaghenDer} is likewise a loanword from another language.
So my point is: Does it make sense to have these two categories? Shouldn't it be just "loanword for terran things"?
I'm interested in your opinions.
Whether it makes sense to distinguish the two depends on what specifically you're trying to identify with your "loanword" and "Terran" markers. -- De'vID
Also (Daqturaq) *d’akturak* (n) (qep’a’ 2020): (qep’a’ 2020): It is not clear whether this is a native Klingon word or a borrowed Trill or Kriosian word or phrase meaning ‘ice man’, but, in any case, this is the Klingon pronunciation. Off the top of my head there’s at least one from Vulcan: {qatra’} *katra* or a Vulcan's disembodied living spirit. Does anyone know of any others? After the Dominion War and the Klingon involvement on Deep Space Nine and the Gamma Quadrant, I would also expect a (very) few from Bajoran and Cardassian. The question is whether you want to distinguish between exotic words used to describe bizarre alien things from alien worlds - e.g. pizza! - or true loans absorbed and used more widely in the standard tlhIngan Hol – like {qajunqaQ). IIRC Krios was at one time a Klingon colony or protectorate. Perhaps the word was brought back by Klingon occupation troops to the Homeworld where it caught on – like *gung ho* in American English. Voragh ______________________________________________________________________________ From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol On Mon, Aug 19, 2024 at 8:34 AM Lieven Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org<mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote: while working on the wiki I notived something that made me wonder: There is an option to mark a word as "loanword", and also an option to mark things which are explained by Maltz as "this is a Terran thing". While editing, I noticed that basically ALL terran things are loanwords, of course. There are a few things of Terran origin which are described with purely Klingon-origin words (not using loanwords), e.g., {may'ron raS}, {Ha'DIbaH ghIH tIr ngogh je}, and of course the list of things which are {tera' X} where {X} is the equivalent Klingon thing. OTOH, all loanwords probably are Terran things, most likely (except for very few in-universe things). Are you counting loanwords from languages other than Federation Standard? ;-) For example, {qajunpaQ} is a loanword from a language on Krios, and {ghormaghenDer} is likewise a loanword from another language. So my point is: Does it make sense to have these two categories? Shouldn't it be just "loanword for terran things"? I'm interested in your opinions. Whether it makes sense to distinguish the two depends on what specifically you're trying to identify with your "loanword" and "Terran" markers. -- De'vID
Am 19.08.2024 um 12:14 schrieb De'vID:
There are a few things of Terran origin which are described with purely Klingon-origin words (not using loanwords), e.g., {may'ron raS},
Ah! That's agood point. I didn't think about that. Thanks for the notice.
Whether it makes sense to distinguish the two depends on what specifically you're trying to identify with your "loanword" and "Terran" markers.
It's just that I enjoy making categories and I'd like to make an automatically generated list of "loanwords" and "terran things". Anyway, your notice has helped me finding my solution. Thanks. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/Loanword
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