In order to say winter we say {qImroq bIr}. In order to say summer we say {qImroq tuj}. (And pray that the reader doesn't live in the land of jumping bag animals, because he will understand the opposite of what we mean..) But how do we say spring and autumn ? ~ m. qunen'oS klingon is borg perfection
On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 12:03 PM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to say winter we say {qImroq bIr}.
In order to say summer we say {qImroq tuj}.
(And pray that the reader doesn't live in the land of jumping bag animals, because he will understand the opposite of what we mean..)
But how do we say spring and autumn ?
Well, *'aSralya'nganpu'* will understand *qImroq bIr* and *qImroq tuj* as "winter" and "summer" just fine, they'll just associate them with different months of the year. As for spring and autumn, we don't have specific terms yet. You could try *qImroq nIl/nIlHa' *"verdant/unverdant season". Or consider it an opportunity to exercise your poetic license and come up with some nice metaphor.
Am 02.05.2019 um 18:03 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
But how do we say spring and autumn ?
Of course, the short answer is: we don't know. But since I know you do not like that answer, I'll go into a longer answer. :-) There are several ways to express that concept. The first one of course would be based on the temperature, which we have {bIr} and {tuj}. So You could say something like {tujchoHbogh qImroq} and {bIrchoHbogh qImroq}, seasons who are getting cold/warm. One other way is to go and use the verbs for precede and follow, and call spring the before-summer and fall the before-winter, but that will start the discussion if fall counts as late summer or early winter. Next, if you stick to earth rhythms, you could simply name spring as {qImroq wa'DIch}, but again that's very Earth focused, and being very strict, the year starts with winter, so even that is not so clear. So to say it as general as possible, I would try to describe the season regarding to what happens, even a little peotic: {ghub qImroq} "season of buds", {'InSong qImroq} "season of flowers", {por QaD qImroq} "dry leaf season", {chuch qImroq} "ice season". But who knows, maybe Klingons connect their season to celestial objects, or maybe they even have only two seasons? Alls of these are only suggestions, of course. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
I don't know an answer, and I am a beginner Klingonist to boot. I will try to answer anyway... Maybe they don't divide the seasons in the same way we do, and there are two seasons only. Also, on Earth different latitudes have different seasons... E.g. Rain season. Otherwise, {qimroq ghung} could be used for both? Or {qimroq birHa'} / {qimroq tujHa'}. Or {qimroq Sud} / {qimroq Doq}. On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 4:03 PM mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
In order to say winter we say {qImroq bIr}.
In order to say summer we say {qImroq tuj}.
(And pray that the reader doesn't live in the land of jumping bag animals, because he will understand the opposite of what we mean..)
But how do we say spring and autumn ?
~ m. qunen'oS
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lieven:
Next, if you stick to earth rhythms, you could simply name spring as {qImroq wa'DIch}, but again that's very Earth focused, and being very strict, the year starts with winter, so even that is not so clear.
Indeed, but this is still a good idea. lieven:
{ghub qImroq} "season of buds", {'InSong qImroq} "season of flowers", {por QaD qImroq} "dry leaf season", {chuch qImroq} "ice season".
These are even better. lieven:
So You could say something like {tujchoHbogh qImroq} and {bIrchoHbogh qImroq}, seasons who are getting cold/warm
But these are "oh-my-kahless" fantastic ! Absolutely perfect ! Thanks jupwI' ! ~ m. qunen'oS klingon is conlanging excellence
Somehow, I suspect that Klingons would have three seasons, because, why not? They don’t like cold, so they could do like we did February, and make it shorter than the others. The whole idea of having a season distinct from another time period with a boundary between them is arbitrary, and naming them is arbitrary. Some places on Earth describe a “rainy season” or a hunting season or a mating season or whatever, while most seasons have arbitrary names. Maybe Klingons name theirs after the current emperor, the current chancellor, and the current ace pilot who destroys the most enemy vessels. Meanwhile, since we like to use words like “season” to refer to Human/Earth message translations, we can always get away with deictic relativism with {qImroqvam}, {qImroq veb}, {qImroq vorgh}, and {qImroq Dop}, or color words for the state of vegetation (SuD for Spring/Summer, Doq for autumn, qIj for winter), or temperature (bIrbogh, tujchoHbogh, tujbogh, bIrchoHbogh) or whatever. Short of getting Okrand to tell us the actual names of the seasons, we’ll have to either agree on something, or just say it in a way that is obvious which season we’re talking about. charghwI’ vaghnerya’ngan rInpa’ bomnIS be’’a’ pI’.
On May 2, 2019, at 12:46 PM, mayqel qunen'oS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
lieven:
Next, if you stick to earth rhythms, you could simply name spring as {qImroq wa'DIch}, but again that's very Earth focused, and being very strict, the year starts with winter, so even that is not so clear.
Indeed, but this is still a good idea.
lieven:
{ghub qImroq} "season of buds", {'InSong qImroq} "season of flowers", {por QaD qImroq} "dry leaf season", {chuch qImroq} "ice season".
These are even better.
lieven:
So You could say something like {tujchoHbogh qImroq} and {bIrchoHbogh qImroq}, seasons who are getting cold/warm
But these are "oh-my-kahless" fantastic ! Absolutely perfect ! Thanks jupwI' !
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On Thu, May 2, 2019 at 2:05 PM Will Martin <willmartin2@mac.com> wrote:
Short of getting Okrand to tell us the actual names of the seasons, we’ll have to either agree on something, or just say it in a way that is obvious which season we’re talking about.
Well, we do have a canonical expression suitable for talking about summer: *qImroq* - general word for season
Maltz didn't think there was time to discuss specific seasons on Klingon planets, but he did say that *qImroq tuj* seemed to be something like "summer" on Earth.
https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/past-qepamey/qepa-chamah-wejdich/new-w... <https://www.kli.org/activities/qepmey/past-qepamey/qepa-chamah-wejdich/new-words/> *qImroq bIr* seems like a pretty reasonable extrapolation from that example. Spring and autumn are still unknown. Also: *b: ghobe', Da'vI' wammeH qImroq 'oH.D: qaH, nepqu'chu'pu'! cheS qImwoq 'oH!b: Da'vI' qImroq!D: cheS qImwoq!b: Da'vI' qImroq!D: cheS qImwoq!b: Da'vI' qImroq!D: cheS qImwoq!b: cheS qImroq!D: Da'vI' qImwoq!b: cheS qImroq!D: jIjatlh Da'vI' qImwoq 'oH 'ej jIjatlh yIbaH!*
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