qovIj ngavyaw' relative size
Suppose you have a full-grown (or is it fully-grown ?), german shepherd. Would you characterize it as {qovIj} or a {ngavyaw'} ? And lets say, you have a {ngavyaw'} puppy.. Would you characterize it, as a {ngavyaw'} or a {qovIj} ? Or would you play it safe, and say {ngavyaw' ghu} ? And, to take this to the limit.. If you had a {qovIj} which took steroids and grew the size of a small car, how would you say it ? On the contrary, if a {ngavyaw'}, matured chronologically, never attaining the expected size, but remained very small, would you still call it a {ngavyaw'} ? ~ bara'qa'
Am 27.11.2019 um 15:05 schrieb mayqel qunen'oS:
Suppose you have a full-grown (or is it fully-grown ?), german shepherd. Would you characterize it as {qovIj} or a {ngavyaw'} ?
Since these are words for alien animals, as I understand, it would be hard to really draw the line. In your example, I'd say ngavyaw, because a big dog is larger than a small one.
And lets say, you have a {ngavyaw'} puppy..
Would you characterize it, as a {ngavyaw'} or a {qovIj} ?
Or would you play it safe, and say {ngavyaw' ghu} ?
As you wrote yourself, a ngavyaw' puppy is still a ngavyaw', and a qovIj puppy will be a qovIj.
If you had a {qovIj} which took steroids and grew the size of a small car, how would you say it ?
Since these are words for a specific animal rather than just for the size, I would still use the small er word for the animal, even if it grew large. Compare to Earth animals: if I would say to an alien that "rabbit" is a small animal, and "cow" is a big animal, one should not call the 2-meter giant rabbit as a cow. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.de http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/NewWordsQepa2019
On 11/27/2019 9:20 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
Compare to Earth animals: if I would say to an alien that "rabbit" is a small animal, and "cow" is a big animal, one should not call the 2-meter giant rabbit as a cow.
Especially since the giant rabbit prefers to be called Harvey. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
On Nov 27, 2019, at 08:21, Lieven L. Litaer <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
If you had a {qovIj} which took steroids and grew the size of a small car, how would you say it ?
Since these are words for a specific animal rather than just for the size, I would still use the small er word for the animal, even if it grew large.
I agree with this. We don’t have any canon information about whether {qovIj} and {ngavyaw'} are as closely related as are the various types of Terran dogs, which are all the same species despite the dramatic differences in physiology. For all we know, {qovIj} and {ngavyaw'} may even come from totally different trees of life from each other. DeSDu' and I actually had a conversation about this as we were sitting for lunch a few weeks ago. We were in a food trailer lot and there were a lot of dogs around so we were classifying then as {qovIj} or {ngavyaw'}. We seemed to universally agree that dogs that looked like they weighed more than about 8 cheb were {ngavyaw'}, and less than about 5 cheb were {qovIj}, but disagreed occasionally on dogs that appeared to fall in between 5 and 8 cheb, with me tending to call more of those mid-weight dogs {qovIj} and DeSDu' tending to call more of them {ngavyaw'}. Until and unless we receive further canonical clarification, I expect this is another one of those things that will be up to the opinion of the individual speaker. My own take on it is that dogs that more closely resemble wild wolves in size and shape are {ngavyaw'}, including varieties that are about as big as a wolf but look different.
On 11/27/2019 9:05 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:
Suppose you have a full-grown (or is it fully-grown ?),
Either.
german shepherd.
Would you characterize it as {qovIj} or a {ngavyaw'} ?
I'd characterize it as a /dog/ or /German shepherd./ If I had to name the closest Klingon equivalent, it probably doesn't matter whether I pick *qovIj* or *ngavyaw',* since it's neither. If I had to pick one... it'd be tough, since I don't really see much of a size difference between Kruge's pet and the animals seen on Rura Pente, which is what we're told the difference between a *qovIj* and a *ngavyaw'* is. Kruge's *qovIj* has much less fur than the Rura Pente beasts, while the Rura Pente beasts have tusks that the monster dog doesn't have. For simplicity I'd probably call all little drop-kicks *qovIj* and use *ngavyaw'* for big dogs. But I don't think this is ideal.
And lets say, you have a {ngavyaw'} puppy..
Would you characterize it, as a {ngavyaw'} or a {qovIj} ?
Or would you play it safe, and say {ngavyaw' ghu} ?
And, to take this to the limit..
If you had a {qovIj} which took steroids and grew the size of a small car, how would you say it ?
On the contrary, if a {ngavyaw'}, matured chronologically, never attaining the expected size, but remained very small, would you still call it a {ngavyaw'} ?
I think *qovIj* and *ngavyaw'* are names of specific species, so it doesn't matter whether they're immature or stunted. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
qovIj canine-like creature (smaller than a {ngavyaw'}) (n) (qep’a’ 2019) “a smaller animal, similar to Kruge's pet” (qep’a’ 2019) ngavyaw' canine-like creature (larger than a {qovIj}) (n) (qep’a’ 2019) “a large animal, like the creatures that accompany the guards on Rura Penthe” (qep’a’ 2019) qeSHoS fox (n) (TLP) "A Klingon animal that's kind of dog-like. They eat vegetation and also small animals and birds. Klingons, of course, might eat them, but mostly consider them pests." (TLP) Qogh type of animal (a common pet) PK; *krol* (?) Does this refer to Kruge's pet reptile-dog, Warrigul, who sat next to him on the bridge of his Bird-of-Prey. (ST3) (see https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Klingon_monster_dog and http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Warrigul ) - qu'bej QoghlIj Your *krol* is definitely fierce. [a compliment] (PK) - "We will repay this bartender, who sent us chasing wild {Qoghmey}." (KCD novel p.108) I read these not as stages in one creature's life (embryo, fetus, puppy, adult), but as different breeds of various "canine-like" creatures. E.g. the small chihuahua, dachshund, or toy poodle vs. the much larger Great Dane, malamut, or husky. I don't think we know how to refer to the young of any animal (puppies, kittens, foals, etc.), just people: {ghu} "baby" and {puq} "child, offspring". Some people have also used ANIMAL{Hom} or ANIMAL {Qup}. -- Voragh Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- Original Message ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org> On Behalf Of mayqel qunen'oS Suppose you have a full-grown (or is it fully-grown ?), german shepherd. Would you characterize it as {qovIj} or a {ngavyaw'} ? And lets say, you have a {ngavyaw'} puppy. Would you characterize it, as a {ngavyaw'} or a {qovIj} ? Or would you play it safe, and say {ngavyaw' ghu} ? And, to take this to the limit.. If you had a {qovIj} which took steroids and grew the size of a small car, how would you say it ? On the contrary, if a {ngavyaw'}, matured chronologically, never attaining the expected size, but remained very small, would you still call it a {ngavyaw'} ?
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