Would "constructed language (conlang)" in Klingon be *Hol 'oghlu'bogh*?
On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 1:21 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Would "constructed language (conlang)" in Klingon be *Hol 'oghlu'bogh*?
I'd understand it but I would personally put a perfective suffix in there: {Hol 'oghlu'pu'bogh} or even {Hol 'oghlu'ta'bogh}. -- De'vID
Am 01.12.2024 um 08:13 schrieb De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 1:21 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan- hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote:
Would "constructed language (conlang)" in Klingon be *Hol 'oghlu'bogh*?
I'd understand it but I would personally put a perfective suffix in there: {Hol 'oghlu'pu'bogh} or even {Hol 'oghlu'ta'bogh}. I agree with the above, but would like the add the thought that just like in English, there is a difference between an invented language and a constructed one. So an alternative might be {Hol chenmoHlu'ta'bogh}.
Not a big difference, just a suggestion. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
All of this implies that the formation of the language is complete. I’d personally be more attracted to {-lI’} than {-pu’}, so long as the vocabulary continues to expand and the grammar continues to surprise us (less frequently, but it happens). pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Dec 1, 2024, at 3:42 AM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Am 01.12.2024 um 08:13 schrieb De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 1:21 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan- hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote:
Would "constructed language (conlang)" in Klingon be *Hol 'oghlu'bogh*?
I'd understand it but I would personally put a perfective suffix in there: {Hol 'oghlu'pu'bogh} or even {Hol 'oghlu'ta'bogh}. I agree with the above, but would like the add the thought that just like in English, there is a difference between an invented language and a constructed one. So an alternative might be {Hol chenmoHlu'ta'bogh}.
Not a big difference, just a suggestion.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland
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It only implies that an act of devising is complete, a grammatical distinction only. It doesn't imply that the product of that devising is complete or not due for amendments. -------- Original message -------- From: Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> Date: 12/2/24 8:36 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tlhingan-hol@kli.org Cc: Will Martin <lojmitti7wi7nuv@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Constructed language All of this implies that the formation of the language is complete. I’d personally be more attracted to {-lI’} than {-pu’}, so long as the vocabulary continues to expand and the grammar continues to surprise us (less frequently, but it happens). pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj) On Dec 1, 2024, at 3:42 AM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote: Am 01.12.2024 um 08:13 schrieb De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol: On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 1:21 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan- hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote: Would "constructed language (conlang)" in Klingon be *Hol 'oghlu'bogh*? I'd understand it but I would personally put a perfective suffix in there: {Hol 'oghlu'pu'bogh} or even {Hol 'oghlu'ta'bogh}. I agree with the above, but would like the add the thought that just like in English, there is a difference between an invented language and a constructed one. So an alternative might be {Hol chenmoHlu'ta'bogh}. Not a big difference, just a suggestion. -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/AliceInWonderland _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Am 03.12.2024 um 02:36 schrieb Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol:
All of this implies that the formation of the language is complete.
I do not agree. Even though the language (especially Klingon, of course) is not complete, the action of inventing or creating it, is complete. As per definition of a language, Klingon is a complete language. It fullfills everything that is needed to be called a language. Using {-lI'} on the process of the creation sounds like it's not usable yet. In the year 1983, one could have said that Okrand is working on the language, combined with {-lI'}. But when he published TKD, he was done with it: {Hol chenmoHta'.} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/KlingonLanguage
As if English, or any other language were ever completed. My granddaughter is still inventing it. pItlh charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Dec 2, 2024, at 11:30 PM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Am 03.12.2024 um 02:36 schrieb Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol:
All of this implies that the formation of the language is complete.
I do not agree. Even though the language (especially Klingon, of course) is not complete, the action of inventing or creating it, is complete.
As per definition of a language, Klingon is a complete language. It fullfills everything that is needed to be called a language. Using {-lI'} on the process of the creation sounds like it's not usable yet. In the year 1983, one could have said that Okrand is working on the language, combined with {-lI'}. But when he published TKD, he was done with it: {Hol chenmoHta'.} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/KlingonLanguage
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Everyone reinvents every language he learns. lay'SIv On Tue, Dec 3, 2024 at 8:58 AM Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
As if English, or any other language were ever completed. My granddaughter is still inventing it.
pItlh
charghwI’ ‘utlh (ghaH, ghaH, -Daj)
On Dec 2, 2024, at 11:30 PM, Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol < tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org> wrote:
Am 03.12.2024 um 02:36 schrieb Will Martin via tlhIngan-Hol:
All of this implies that the formation of the language is complete.
I do not agree. Even though the language (especially Klingon, of course) is not complete, the action of inventing or creating it, is complete.
As per definition of a language, Klingon is a complete language. It fullfills everything that is needed to be called a language. Using {-lI'} on the process of the creation sounds like it's not usable yet. In the year 1983, one could have said that Okrand is working on the language, combined with {-lI'}. But when he published TKD, he was done with it: {Hol chenmoHta'.} -- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" https://tlhInganHol.com https://klingon.wiki/En/KlingonLanguage
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FWIW I found *{Hol 'oghlu'(pu')bogh} in my notes which was tagged "KLI". I must have seen it used on some KLIL web page but carelessly failed to record the URL. Voragh ------------------------------Original Message------------------------------ From: Lieven L. Litaer via tlhIngan-Hol Sent: Sunday, December 1, 2024 2:43 AM Am 01.12.2024 um 08:13 schrieb De'vID via tlhIngan-Hol:
On Sun, Dec 1, 2024 at 1:21 AM James Landau via tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan- hol@lists.kli.org <mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org>> wrote:
Would "constructed language (conlang)" in Klingon be *Hol 'oghlu'bogh*?
I'd understand it but I would personally put a perfective suffix in there: {Hol 'oghlu'pu'bogh} or even {Hol 'oghlu'ta'bogh}.
I agree with the above, but would like the add the thought that just like in English, there is a difference between an invented language and a constructed one. So an alternative might be {Hol chenmoHlu'ta'bogh}. Not a big difference, just a suggestion.
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Will Martin