Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Can I use {Hur} on its own ?
andre muller:
"I went outside." What verb would you use
I would say {HurDaq vIjaH} or {Hur vIjaH}. I would use the {jaH}, because I think it expresses better the "I went". The way I understand the {ghoS} it expresses the "I approached/followed/went away from" depending on the presence of the suffixes {-Daq} and {-vo'}. qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 24 Nov 2016 9:25 pm, "André Müller" <esperantist@gmail.com> wrote: That reminds me of a question I had recently but didn't bother to ask. "I went outside." What verb would you use? {ghoS} maybe? Or perhaps {mej}? Or maybe even {'el} (there are some natural languages, such as Tsez, where you can "enter the outside", and I like that expression). Of course, I could be more precise and say {juHvo' jImejpu'}, but which verb would you use with {Hur}? Would you guys accept {Hur vI'elpu'}? - André 2016-11-24 19:52 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>:
On 11/24/2016 1:38 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
At another thread I wrote: {toH, juHwIjDaq vIjaHmeH yaHwIj HurDaq vIjaH net poQ}
Would it be acceptable if I wrote: {toH, juHwIjDaq vIjaHmeH HurDaq vIjaH net poQ}
So, the question is: Can words as {Hur}, {bIng}, {Dung} etc, be used on their own, or is it necessary for them to refer to another noun, a noun that will precede them ?
Sure, you can use them on their own. Just remember that their concepts are relative to something else, so some context is usually needed. You provide that in your example sentence because you're talking about being at your duty station before you talk about going outside. Outside what? Your duty station is obviously indoors, so you go out. Not a problem.
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There’s no right answer; use whichever best expresses your meaning. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name From: mayqel qunenoS Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2016 3:03 PM To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] Can I use {Hur} on its own ? andre muller:
"I went outside." What verb would you use I would say {HurDaq vIjaH} or {Hur vIjaH}. I would use the {jaH}, because I think it expresses better the "I went". The way I understand the {ghoS} it expresses the "I approached/followed/went away from" depending on the presence of the suffixes {-Daq} and {-vo'}. qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 24 Nov 2016 9:25 pm, "André Müller" <esperantist@gmail.com> wrote: That reminds me of a question I had recently but didn't bother to ask. "I went outside." What verb would you use? {ghoS} maybe? Or perhaps {mej}? Or maybe even {'el} (there are some natural languages, such as Tsez, where you can "enter the outside", and I like that expression). Of course, I could be more precise and say {juHvo' jImejpu'}, but which verb would you use with {Hur}? Would you guys accept {Hur vI'elpu'}? - André 2016-11-24 19:52 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name>: On 11/24/2016 1:38 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote: At another thread I wrote: {toH, juHwIjDaq vIjaHmeH yaHwIj HurDaq vIjaH net poQ} Would it be acceptable if I wrote: {toH, juHwIjDaq vIjaHmeH HurDaq vIjaH net poQ} So, the question is: Can words as {Hur}, {bIng}, {Dung} etc, be used on their own, or is it necessary for them to refer to another noun, a noun that will precede them ? Sure, you can use them on their own. Just remember that their concepts are relative to something else, so some context is usually needed. You provide that in your example sentence because you're talking about being at your duty station before you talk about going outside. Outside what? Your duty station is obviously indoors, so you go out. Not a problem. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org _______________________________________________ tlhIngan-Hol mailing list tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org
Hur wIqelnISlaH. qoDDaq Daq tu'be'lu'bogh 'oHbej. Qatlhbe' qechvam. Daqmey poHmey je wIja'chuqnISlaH. (pab vIwem 'e' DaHarchugh, jISaHbe'. choyajchu' vaj ram pab.) ~mIp'av
On 11/24/2016 7:48 PM, Ed Bailey wrote:
Hur wIqelnISlaH. qoDDaq Daq tu'be'lu'bogh 'oHbej. Qatlhbe' qechvam. Daqmey poHmey je wIja'chuqnISlaH. (pab vIwem 'e' DaHarchugh, jISaHbe'. choyajchu' vaj ram pab.)
-chugh pab 'oH ram vaj jIH ta' -be' -nIS -Daq tlha' 'oH. jIH Sov SoH yaj jIH. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name
jatlh SuStel
-chugh pab 'oH ram vaj jIH ta' -be' -nIS -Daq tlha' 'oH. jIH Sov SoH yaj jIH.
tlhIngan Hol pab wembe' QInlIj. buSHa'chu' 'ej tammeH DIvI' Hol pab lo'. QInwIjDaq DIvI' Hol pab DaSamlaHchugh, yI'ang! Da'anglaHbe'chugh, ram ghantoHlIj. pab vIqImchu'taHchugh, loQ pab vIpabHa'DI', yajlaH pab yajchu'bogh QoywI''e'. taghwI'vaD qay'laH. 'a pab Dayajchu', vaj choyajHa'laH 'e' Daqapchugh, SoHmo' neH qaS yajHa'ghach. jIjatlhDI' <...wIja'chuq...> choyajbej. Hur HoSmey qaDlaH 'uSqan nIt 'a loQ SIHmoHlu'chugh, ghor. tlhIngan Hol rurbe'. Hur HoSmey qaDlaH ghav 'uSqan 'a SIHlaH 'ej ghorbe'. tlhIngan Hol rur. 'a tlhoy SIHchugh, ghor Hoch net Sov. ~mIp'av
peyep ! be careful ! chIch pab bowemtaHchugh, pe'vIl taHtaHbogh loghrajDaq poHrajDaq je luSpet chu' chenmoH ghantoH pIn'a' ! if you keep violating grammar intentionally, then the canon master will tear a new black hole at your space-time continuum ! hahaha qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 25 Nov 2016 9:21 am, "Ed Bailey" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
jatlh SuStel
-chugh pab 'oH ram vaj jIH ta' -be' -nIS -Daq tlha' 'oH. jIH Sov SoH yaj jIH.
tlhIngan Hol pab wembe' QInlIj. buSHa'chu' 'ej tammeH DIvI' Hol pab lo'. QInwIjDaq DIvI' Hol pab DaSamlaHchugh, yI'ang! Da'anglaHbe'chugh, ram ghantoHlIj.
pab vIqImchu'taHchugh, loQ pab vIpabHa'DI', yajlaH pab yajchu'bogh QoywI''e'. taghwI'vaD qay'laH. 'a pab Dayajchu', vaj choyajHa'laH 'e' Daqapchugh, SoHmo' neH qaS yajHa'ghach. jIjatlhDI' <...wIja'chuq...> choyajbej.
Hur HoSmey qaDlaH 'uSqan nIt 'a loQ SIHmoHlu'chugh, ghor. tlhIngan Hol rurbe'. Hur HoSmey qaDlaH ghav 'uSqan 'a SIHlaH 'ej ghorbe'. tlhIngan Hol rur.
'a tlhoy SIHchugh, ghor Hoch net Sov.
~mIp'av
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veSDujDaq, boSamlaHbe'ba' 'ach Sajatlh, Sum ! DaH, jISov.. pung 'aghlaHbej ghantoH pIn'a'ma', 'ach yIqaDQo' ! jogh loSDaq malengtaHvIS, lut tIQ DIQoypu'.. nughIjbogh lutmey: tlhIngan pab luwemta' tayqeq law'; 'ej ghIq tayqeqmeyvam Sangchu' ghantoH pIn'a' veSDuj. jogh loSvo' naDev wIpawta'DI', lutvam DISov. 'ej meqvammo', naDev wIpawta'DI' tlhIngan pab wIghojchu' 'e' wInID. toH, pab qabmo', ghantoH pIn'a' yIQeHmoHQo' ! paSchoHpa' peyep ! qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 25 Nov 2016 3:12 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
peyep ! be careful !
chIch pab bowemtaHchugh, pe'vIl taHtaHbogh loghrajDaq poHrajDaq je luSpet chu' chenmoH ghantoH pIn'a' !
if you keep violating grammar intentionally, then the canon master will tear a new black hole at your space-time continuum ! hahaha
qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
On 25 Nov 2016 9:21 am, "Ed Bailey" <bellerophon.modeler@gmail.com> wrote:
jatlh SuStel
-chugh pab 'oH ram vaj jIH ta' -be' -nIS -Daq tlha' 'oH. jIH Sov SoH yaj jIH.
tlhIngan Hol pab wembe' QInlIj. buSHa'chu' 'ej tammeH DIvI' Hol pab lo'. QInwIjDaq DIvI' Hol pab DaSamlaHchugh, yI'ang! Da'anglaHbe'chugh, ram ghantoHlIj.
pab vIqImchu'taHchugh, loQ pab vIpabHa'DI', yajlaH pab yajchu'bogh QoywI''e'. taghwI'vaD qay'laH. 'a pab Dayajchu', vaj choyajHa'laH 'e' Daqapchugh, SoHmo' neH qaS yajHa'ghach. jIjatlhDI' <...wIja'chuq...> choyajbej.
Hur HoSmey qaDlaH 'uSqan nIt 'a loQ SIHmoHlu'chugh, ghor. tlhIngan Hol rurbe'. Hur HoSmey qaDlaH ghav 'uSqan 'a SIHlaH 'ej ghorbe'. tlhIngan Hol rur.
'a tlhoy SIHchugh, ghor Hoch net Sov.
~mIp'av
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On 11/25/2016 2:21 AM, Ed Bailey wrote:
tlhIngan Hol pab wembe' QInlIj. buSHa'chu' 'ej tammeH DIvI' Hol pab lo'. QInwIjDaq DIvI' Hol pab DaSamlaHchugh, yI'ang! Da'anglaHbe'chugh, ram ghantoHlIj.
pabHa'ghachlIj chaw'be' yajlaHghachwIj. latlh HIvje'Daq 'Iw HIq bIr yIqang. -- qoH vuvbe' SuStel http://trimboli.name
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