On 12/14/2016 11:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
Andre Müller:
I think SuStel's point is: /On screen, no one can/ /> hear your spaces./
hahaha ! ok, now I understand !
Yes. It /could/ be a new word *HIvHe'* that cannot be decomposed, or it could be *HIv,* an unattested noun form of the verb, plus *He,* space or no space. The movie also gives us *chorghSaD qelI'qam HIvchuq 'e' vInoH*/Estimating attack range in 8,000 kellicams./ This sentence is maddeningly unclear: is *chorghSaD qelI'qam* something akin to a time stamp? Is *HIvchuq* /attack each other/ or /attack range/ (with the same unattested noun form of *HIv*)? Is *HIvchuq* a new, irreducible noun? Why does this sentence no verb? (It's probably clipped, which means we're trying to figure out grammar from an incomplete sentence.) *HIv* is a very frustrating word.
and now, lets talk about something which was discussed earlier in this thread..
SuStel:
Unknown whether you can use *nuq* or *'Iv* as part of a noun-noun construction.
I'm just asking in order to make sure I understand this correctly.
lets say I want to ask "which ship arrived ?". both {paw'ta' Duj nuq} and {paw'ta' nuq Duj} are wrong, right ?
*paw,* not *paw'* (unless the arrival was very rough!). *nuq* goes into the place of the answer. If the answer isn't the same sentence with a substitution for *nuq,* then the question is not formed correctly. If the answer to the question is, for instance, that the /Enterprise/ arrived, then the answer is *pawta' 'entepray'.* But this isn't in the same form that you asked it, because it doesn't include the word *Duj.* So the entire method of asking the question is doubtful. There /are/ some answers that would fit, like, say, *pawta' DIvI' Duj.* But not every answer will fit, so you may not be able to ask questions this way. In any case, we've never seen Okrand use *nuq* or *'Iv* in a noun-noun construction like this, so whether or not this is allowed is unknown. The most common thing to do is turn it into a command to identify: *paw'ta'bogh Duj yIngu'*/identify the ship that has arrived!/ If you're not asking for a name, you might get more specific, like *pawta'bogh Duj Sar yIngu'* /identify the type of ship that has arrived!/ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name