On 3/8/2019 4:50 PM, Will Martin wrote:
That strikes me as peculiar. Since {vIje’} has the prefix assigning the subject to that verb, I would expect that for emphasis, if you wanted to add {jIH} it should go after {vIje’}, as in {vIje’ jIH rIntaH}.
Doing it as {vIje’ rIntaH jIH} only makes sense if, given that written Klingon as we know it is phonetic spelling of spoken Klingon, somehow {rIntaH} has become a Type 10 suffix,
Or it's just an exceptional rule that says the special word *rIntaH* comes after the verb regardless of any subjects or objects. Similar to how the adverbial *neH* comes after a verb or noun as needed instead of coming at the front of a sentence. It's just exceptional. We don't need to make up hypothetical type 10 suffixes.
so it always follows the verb and its other suffixes, and any subject would follow it. Otherwise, I see no justification for {rIntaH jIH}, since as a sentence, it would have to be {jIrIntaH jIH}.
No, the *jIH* would be the subject of *vIje',* with the word *rIntaH* simply being inserted after the verb. We have no problem with *qa'vIn De' vIje' neH jIH*/I merely buy the Genesis data./ Why would we have a problem with *qa'vIn De' vIje' rIntaH jIH*/I have bought the Genesis data/? On the other hand, this is being described in TKD as a special kind of sentence-as-object construction, so it might make sense that when Okrand said /verb/ he actually meant /sentence,/ since all his examples have no explicit subject. Again, without data, we can't decide one way or the other. -- SuStel http://trimboli.name