As someone who has a copy of TKD on my bookshelf, I'm inclined to agree with the two-word interpretation, although I also originally parsed it as one word. However, as a historical linguist, I'm tempted to point out that the {-taH} verb suffix is almost certain etymologically derived from the verb {taH} or vice versa. Given that information, whether or not the {-taH} actually connects to the verb starts looking a bit less important. We'd only be able to hear the difference if (a) the {taHjaj} were preceded by an adverbial, or (b) the {maH} took the {-neS} suffix. Perhaps the {-taH} morpheme has become a full-fledged suffix in most cases, but remains (somewhat) separate in a few edge cases, such as when {-jaj} is used. - SapIr, who On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 01:27:35AM +0000, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
-taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
It's worth noting that so do «wo' DevtaHjaj ghawran» and «wo' ghawran DevtaHjaj», which are used in KGT to illustrate toast grammar. Could be seen as a mistake, but then again, using mu'mey ru' in toasts and wishes appeals to me somehow.
In any event, it's been clarified by Mary Chieffo that the sentence means "We are Klingon, let it remain.", which strongly suggests that it's «tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.»
https://www.usatoday.com/videos/life/tv/2017/09/25/can-you-speak-klingon-sta...
...and an even stronger indication is that when I transcribed the phrase as *tlhIngan maHtaHjaj* earlier this year, Qov pointed out the vs7 + -jaj rule to me. Now that we know she wrote it, that probably means there should indeed be a space in there :P
//loghaD
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-taHjaj violates the rule that - jaj isn't used with vs7.
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Interesting, thanks for this video!
When I heard the Klingons say their favorite sentence several times in the show, I understood it as: {tlhIngan maHtaHjaj.}, literally 'May we continue to be Klingons.' - you had it as {tlhIngan maH. taHjaj.}, 'We are Klingons. May this continue.'
Both make sense, I prefer my interpretation with one verb. What say you?
- André
2017-09-26 22:22 GMT+02:00 Lieven <levinius@gmx.de<mailto:levinius@gmx.de>>: Hi there,
visit my channel on YouTube and find an exclusive interview with Marc Okrand talking about Star Trek: Discovery and pronouncing some of the new words which had been revealed at qep'a' 2017.
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