On 12/6/2016 1:16 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
there is something I noticed on {-moH}.
If we use it on an intransitive verb it makes it transitive:
jISaQ I cry qaSaQmoH I make you cry
But what if we place it on a transitive ?
jIchoH I change qachoH I change you qachoHmoH I cause you to change
jIyuv I push qayuv I push you qayuvmoH I cause you to push
I don't know how to describe it in grammar terms, but it seems that as soon as we place the {-moH} on a transitive verb, then the object can't "do what the verb says to someone or something else".
If I write qayuvmoH for I make you push, then I may obviously be saying "I make you push", but how do I say "I make you push the table" ?
raS qayuvmoH ? Is this correct ? can we have the {raS} just sitting there unmarked ?
Shame on you for not paying attention! The current thinking, supported by a couple of canonical sentences, seems to be that your desired sentence would be: *SoHvaD raS vIyuvmoH.* My explanation for this is that one must do more than blindly follow syntax; one must examine the semantic role each noun is playing. There is an action, *yuv.* Someone pushes the table, *raS yuv.* I cause the table to be pushed, *raS vIyuvmoH* (doesn't say who pushes it; I cause the action so I'm the subject and it's done to the table so the table is the object). I cause you to push it, *SoHvaD raS vIyuvmoH;* you're the receiver of what I did (cause the pushing). We can play this game with other sentences: *quHDaj qaw */he//remembers his heritage /*quHDaj qawmoH Ha'quj*/the sash reminds (someone) of his heritage /*ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH Ha'quj*/the sash reminds him of his heritage/ *yIn Hegh je ghoj*/he learns life and death /*yIn Hegh je vIghojmoH*/I teach life and death (to someone) /*ghaHvaD yIn Hegh je vIghojmoH*/I teach him life and death/ Guess what! Those are based on canon sentences: *tuQtaHvIS Hem. ghaHvaD quHDaj qawmoH * /He wears it proudly as a reminder of his heritage. /(SkyBox S20) *petaQvam vIqopbej / QIt ghaHvaD yIn Hegh je vIghojmoH*/I will bring this p'takh to justice / And teach him life and death/ Now remember, and this is extremely important: this is perhaps the most controversial, war-causing, pain-inducing topic on this list /*EVER.*/ Be very careful when talking about it. Think before you post./**/ -- SuStel http://trimboli.name