{'ap} was defined at qepHom 2020 as: 'ap n. dues, toll and three more noun phrases based on it were revealed: HIjmeH 'ap n. fee paid when bringing certain commodities into a jurisdiction HIjmeH 'ap pIn n. customs officer HuqmeH 'ap n. excise tax, sales tax, VAT Which explains Maltz's suggestion about {qavmeH 'ap}. -- Voragh, Ca'Non Master of the Klingons ------------------------------Original Message------------------------------ From: mayqel qunen'oS klingon.wiki entry on {qav} (n) from the page http://klingon.wiki/En/NewWordsQepHom2020: "Maltz didn't know what qav by itself was, but he said he wouldn't be surprised to learn that qav'ap was shortened from qavmeH 'ap or something like that at some point in the past".