charghwI', I'm pasting the relevant info, from the emails sent by De'viD, on this list. ------------------------ {lID} v. travel or move a specified or measurable distance or trajectory [used with verbs of movement which don't take distance or trajectory as their object] [De'vID]> Can any of these verbs take an object, such as an angle or a distance (as appropriate to the verb)? No. To indicate how far the motion was (how far the person/object moved), make use of the verb {lID}, meaning something like "travel or move a specified or measurable distance or trajectory." The object of {lID} is the distance moved or range of motion. So you could say {ron SuvwI'; chorgh 'uj(mey) lID} "the warrior rolled (haphazardly) for eight ujes" (literally, "the warrior rolled; he/she traveled/moved/traversed eight ujes"). It could also be the other way around: {chorgh 'uj(mey) lID SuvwI'; ron} "the warrior rolled (haphazardly) for eight ujes" (literally, "the warrior traveled/moved/traversed eight ujes; he/she rolled"). Or {ron muD Duj; javmaH lawrI'(mey) lID} "the airplane rolled 60ยบ." (The semicolons here don't matter. You could also use a period, since, really, they're pairs of sentences.) ------------------------ ~ m. qunen'oS