I have been reading the KGT section about visual arts. I have some doubts, that probably many of you can clarify. The KGT explicitly says there is no word for color as such. But how can I ask what color is something? The nguv verb can be used, but it is not clear to me if it includes naturally occurring colors, as the definition is "is dyed, is tinted, is stained". What about the natural color of an object? Is chay' nguv tera' naran? still an option? Can I use to describe the color of something? The notes says it is rarely used, but would something like this work? DaHjaj Doqqu' nguv tlhom! Regarding nguvmoH: the direct object is the thing being colored, can I use the color as an indirect object? Can it be used for natural processes? That is, is this a valid construct? Doqvad chal nguvmoH jajlo'. Well, I suppose I could use simply: chal DoqmoH jajlo'. Still, it would be nice if someone could confirm the meaning of an indirect object with nguv. An odd thing for me was that SuDqu' means green; I expected to be a color at the opposite end of the spectrum, and to indicate blue. Anyway, that made me think of how to say yellow and orange instead; Would Doq dochvam, 'ach tlhoS SuD work for orange/orange yellow or SuD, 'ach tlhoS Doq for yellow, maybe close to orange? The KGT indicates Sud 'ej wov for yellow, but it looks ambiguous... Could't it indicate light blue or light green as well? Finally... grays. I have seen qIj 'ej wov to indicate gray. I suppose that works. Can I use chIs 'ach loQ Hurg/loQ wovbe' for light gray? -- Luciano Montanaro Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job. -- Douglas Adams