yuQvo' jIleng I roam away from the planet (HQ Dec 1998)
although the {-vo'} inherently expresses the "moving away from somewhere", I believe that {vIleng} would be better. The way it is written, one cannot distinguish what is happening : a. Am I just enjoying the ride which happens to be taking place away from the planet, with the distance between me and the planet remaining the same (perhaps I'm orbiting the planet at a very high altitude) or b. I'm moving in such a way that the distance between me and the planet actually increases ? If I read this sentence in light with what we know, with regards to the verbs of movement, I would understand option a.
Daq HopHa’Daq not far away
the {Daq} connected to the {HopHa'} is a typo, or the phrase goes {(Daq HopHa')Daq} ? I mean the second {Daq} is a supposed to be correctly migrated type 5 noun suffix, or a wrongly connected noun ? other than that, I don't see the reason of choosing {-Ha'} on {Hop}, instead of {-be}. On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 6:25 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun@gmail.com> wrote:
may'meyDajvo' Haw'be' tlhIngan. A Klingon does not run away from his battles. TKW
If I don't say this I will explode..
Although a "battle" takes place at a physical location, the "battle event" isn't the location itself. This example contradicts the rule "{-Daq} and {-vo'} are to be used only for physical locations".
Is there even a single descent argument, why I shouldn't use this example, as all the justification I would ever need, in order to use {-Daq} and {-vo'} for anything abstract, metaphorical, and immaterial I could possibly ever imagine ?
On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 5:50 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer@uchicago.edu> wrote:
John R. Harness (first draft):
10. Then the five little bunnies hippity hopped away! vaj qetqa' vagh Qa'Hom. mI'qa'! Supqa'!
ghunchu'wI':
This meaning of "then" is better carried by the word {ghIq}. The "away" idea isn't reflected in the Klingon.
John R. Harness (revised draft):
10. Then the five little bunnies hippity hopped away! ghIq qetqa' vagh Qa'Hom. mI'qa'! Supqa'! HopchoH!
Far Away: I added {HopchoH} at the very end. I kind of like it. How otherwise could I get across the idea of them exiting the scene?
Ways Okrand has gotten away with the "away idea":
1. using {-vo'}:
naDevvo' yIghoS Go away! TKD
may'meyDajvo' Haw'be' tlhIngan. A Klingon does not run away from his battles. TKW
yuQvo' jIleng I roam away from the planet (HQ Dec 1998)
qeylIS ‘uchHa’ ‘ej ghaHvo’ yIt He releases Kahless and walks away. (PB)
molor qIpmeH ... 'ej ghaHvo' yIt. Kahless slaps Molor ... and walks away. (PB)
2. using verbs with "away" in their meaning:
woD throw away (v)
Soj woD He/she throws the food away. KGT
bI' sweep [away] (v)
pe'vIl bI'chu' forcefully sweep away (idiom) KGT
(KGT 112): "The verb {bI'} (sweep) refers to the action of pushing something out of the way by using an implement or the forearm as if it were a broom. If whatever is pushed is cleared away completely, one is said to {bI'chu'} (sweep [something] away; literally, "sweep perfectly").
nge' take away (v)
Ha'quj nge' take away a sash (idiom: wound one's pride) KGT
Qol beam away (v)
Qollu'ta' They were beamed aboard a Federation Starship. ST6 (lit. "They were beamed away.")
Hop be remote [from], be far [from] (v)
Daq HopHa’Daq qa’chaj nejlI’ qotar Qempa’QeH je Not far away, Kotar and his Qempa'keh, Are in search for their souls. (PB)
3. other (I'm not sure how to describe this):
qotarvaD lay'ta' 'ej batlh pab qeylIS jatlh 'e' mevDI' nuvpu' mejmoH ghaH ratlh be'nalDaj luqara' neH Kahless kept his word of honor to Kotar, After his last words, all were sent away, But his wife Lukara. (PB)
-- Voragh tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a' Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
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