De'vID:
For example, how would you translate "great leaders"?
I would choose {DevwI''a'pu'}, {DevwI'pu' Dun}, or {DevwI'pu' Dunqu'}. De'vID:
Keeping that in mind, are you saying that you can't hear it when he speaks the line that's subtitled "Great leaders, look to the stars..."?
Unfortunately no.. The only spoken klingon I can understand, is some sentences spoken by Lieven on his youtube channel. I have no abilities whatsoever to understand normal spoken klingon. jIH:
Although I would chose another way of expressing "individuality". Lieven: Since Klingon is a language, and noth math, there are always different way to express ideas
Of course, and please don't misunderstand me; I'm not saying that i would find a "better" way to express "individuality". It is just that I wouldn't use {ngIq}, since its grammar hasn't been totally clarified yet. Let alone the fact, that there is an additional problem, which I describe in the rest of this message. Lieven:
Your suggestions are certainly worth a look. Tell us how you would solve that.
The question is, what is individuality, and how its meaning is defined in the movie.. A movie which I haven't seen, but the way I understand the situation from that trailer, the "individuality", of which the klingon is speaking, isn't the individuality which one klingon possesses with regards to the other klingon. The federation isn't coming to destroy the klingons because each klingon is different with regards to the other klingon. The federation is coming to destroy the klingons, because of their collective individuality, which they as a race possess. Or at least this is what the klingon speaking thinks. When I read the sentence {mapIm ngIq maH 'e' luQaw'meH ghoS chaH}, the {ngIq maH} "feels to me" as "each one of us". (and I say "feels", because the grammar of {ngIq} is yet to be clarified),. So, the meaning becomes "because each one of us is different, they come to destroy us". So, if each klingon was identical to the next klingon, the federation would have no problem ? Because of these reasons, i would choose something like: {pImchu'mo' Seghmaj, nuQaw'meH nughoS} because our race is perfectly different they approach to destroy us or {pImchu'mo' Seghmaj lurDechmey, nuQaw'meH ghoS} because the traditions of our race are perfectly different they approach to destroy us or {pImchu'mo' Seghmaj qangtlhIn, nuQaw'meH ghoS} because the ideology of our race is perfectly different they approach to destroy us Alternatively, instead of {pImchu'mo}, I could use {le'chu'mo'}, {motlhHa'chu'mo'}, or maybe even {qubchu'mo'} or {nIvchu'mo'}, although the last two wouldn't be my first choices. Of course, longer constructions could be used too, such as: {qIb HochDaq nururmo' pagh nuQaw'meH nughoS} because at all of the galaxy no one resembles us, they approach to destroy us Furthermore at the original sentence {mapIm ngIq maH 'e' luQaw'meH ghoS chaH}, I feel that the {chaH} is unnecessary, since the listener almost certainly knows who's approaching so no further clarification is needed. And finally, since the {ghoS} can mean either "approach" or "go away from", depending on the presence of nouns with the suffixes {-Daq} and {vo'}, (HQ 7.4, p.2-12, Dec. 1998), perhaps I would write: {yadda yadda yadda nuQaw'meH maHDaq ghoS} But that is a matter of personal preference, since obviously, in the context of the film, someone is coming to them in order to destroy them, and cannot be "going away from them" in order to accomplish that, unless of course he's planning to let them starve, be destroyed on their own etc.. qunnoq On Wed, Sep 27, 2017 at 12:22 PM, Lieven <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 27.09.2017 um 10:35 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
Although I would chose another way of expressing "individuality".
Since Klingon is a language, and noth math, there are always different way to express ideas. There is not always the prefect or correct version.
Your suggestions are certainly worth a look. Tell us how you would solve that.
-- Lieven L. Litaer aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany" http://www.klingonisch.net http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/StarTrekDiscovery
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