maj ! now, lets take this a little further.. I want to say: "this world, this life make me suffer". the orthodox way of saying this, is of course through the use of {je}: {mubechmoH qo'vam yInvam je} but lets assume I don't want to use the {je}. In this case can I write: {mubechmoH qo'vam'e' yInvam'e'} ? In this sentence I have two nouns each carrying the {'e'}. So obviously they cannot be forming a noun-noun construction. as we said, when it comes to nouns with the {'e'}, we don't know if the {je} is necessary in order to join them. so, assuming that indeed we could leave it aside, the only remaining question is: is the sentence {mubechmoH qo'vam'e' yInvam'e'} good as is, or do I need to add a {bIH} thus writing: {mubechmoH qo'vam'e' yInvam'e' bIH} ? qunnoH jan puqloD ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta' On 3 Dec 2016 9:04 pm, "Lieven" <levinius@gmx.de> wrote:
Am 03.12.2016 um 19:37 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
suppose I want to say: "this world, this life, I hate them".
In english this may work, because the proniun shows that you hat both. In Klingon, since the pronoun does not indicate the object (in this case) it would not work, so I would immedialtly understand this as a possessive noun-noun construction.
And I would say that it's even the case when the prefix would clearly show the plural.
{qo'vam yInvam je vImuS}
{qo'vam yInvam vImuS}
I understand that perhaps at the second sentence one could get the
meaning that "I hate this life", and being left to wonder what's the story with the {qo'vam}.
I understand "I hate this life which happens on this world", so "this world-life"
so, all I want to know is "is the {je} necessary" ? is there some
grammar reason because of which it is necessary ?
Yes: clearly spoken, if you want to say I hate "A+B" you have to say "A+B" and not just "A B".
....Now, going more peotic:
I can imagine one can do this with some useful, dramatic pauses, but still add the right pronoun maybe: {qo'vam.... yInvam... bIH vImuS}
Actually, that's exactly what you wrote in your initial question: "this world, this life, I hate them"
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