On 10 August 2017 at 16:28, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:
On 8/10/2017 10:17 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
If we want to say that someone "is listening music", then what do we use ? {'Ij} or {Qoy} ? Or both ?
I would say that if the music is just on while you're doing something else, it's {'Ij}. But if you're actually actively thinking about the lyrics, it's {Qoy}.
I don't think we know this one either, but Okrand makes a distinction between the verbs in TKW:
The verb Qoy means "hear," not just "listen." One must actually perceive and understand that which is being said.
This doesn't tell whether one does Qoy or 'Ij to music, but it implies that one can 'Ij without actually Qoy-ing anything. 'Ij seems to be the active attempt to detect sound; Qoy is the passive fact that sound has been detected.
The English word "hear" is weird in that it's used both for passive sound detection ("suddenly, he heard a noise") and for active comprehension ("the crowd hear Kahless' call for unity and join together as one"). We have several examples of {Qoy} in canon, which should clarify its meaning. {HIQoymoH} "let me hear (something)" (TKD) {jach SuvwI' 'e' yIQoy!} "Hear the warrior cry out!" (TKW) {'IwlIj ghogh yIQoy.} "Listen to the voice of your blood." (TKW) {Qoy qeylIS puqloD, Qoy puqbe'pu'} "Hear! Sons of Kahless. Hear! Daughters too." (Star Trek: Klingon CD) -- De'vID