On Friday 24 Mar 2017 20:12:00 SuStel wrote:
On 3/24/2017 6:13 PM, Felix Malmenbeck wrote:
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Another thing that might be useful for discussing pumping is expressions for describing repeated actions. Examples of useful distinctions might include:
repeatedly do and then undo
This is the sort of thing Klingon doesn't do generically, but it does well specifically. For instance, *bagh; ghIq baghHa'*/tie; then untie./
(ir)regularly
I would expect *roD* /regularly /and **roDHa'* /irregularly /for this, though the latter is unattested.
periodically
Either *roD* or *rut* will work for this, depending on which meaning of /periodically/ you mean.
cyclically ad infinitum with (increasing/decreasing/oscillating/unchanged) amplitude with (increasing/decreasing/oscillating/unchanged) frequency
For example, if we pretend that we have adverbs with these "definitions":
{[irregularly] joqtaH tIqwIj.} ("My heart is beating irregularly.")
Right now we can say *roD joqtaHbe' tIqwIj,* though it would be nice if we knew we could say **roDHa' joqtaH tIqwIj.*
Trouble is, I'm not convinced this is quite the right meaning. As {roD} seems to cover primarily what the usual/habitual action of something is. {roD joqtaHbe' tIqwIj} suggests I am an android or a member of the undead, or maybe J-l Picard depending on the nature of his replacement - it is not typical for the heart to beat as its usual action. I think {roDHa'} is closer, but I don't believe it covers regularly spaced periodic/cyclic actions changing that regularity. I think our point is things like {bagh; ghIq baghHa'} work once. One wavelength if you will. The {bagh; ghIq baghHa'} needs to be described as a cycle which repeats continuously, to describe the ongoing waveform. It is the concept of *repeating* we're after. The regularity is to do with the fixed spacing of the repeats, not whether an action is habitual or not. Now I'm thinking of it, using {joq} in the sense flapping/fluttering for a heartbeat is entirely the wrong imagery. A flag flapping due to the vagaries of the wind, is as random and irregular as you can get. A fluttering heartbeat is one you shouldn't have. A nice solid, regular, one is preferable. But I'm guessing we're stuck with it now.