poH ngaj ret, souvlakia vIje'meH jIve'taH ('elaDya'ngan jIHmo', pIj souvlakia vISop); 'ej jIve'taHvIS.. I made an important realization. I knew that if we want to add two adverbs to a noun we had the following ways: ngIngbogh HoS nIt nItbogh HoS ngIng ngIngbogh 'et nItbogh HoS nItbogh 'ej ngIngbogh HoS ngIngbogh HoS 'ej nItbogh nItbogh HoS 'ej ngIngbogh All good.. but what if these methods failed to convey the feeling I was aiming for ? lets assume I want to say: "pure negative energy I summon thee" no method of the above is able to convey the exceptional dark "punch" of the english original. none. 'ej souvlakiawIj vISamtaHvIS, luckily I realized that the solution was easy: {HoS nIt, HoS ngIng qarIt}. Perhaps it is just a matter of personal preference, but I feel that the last method better conveys the feeling of the moment, let alone that it is more direct than "energy which is this and that go figure". Of course the question arises: In the {HoS nIt, HoS ngIng qarIt} is it legal to use the {qa-} ? ok, here you got me.. I don't know for sure, but if: a. each of the {HoS nIt} {HoS ngIng} are to be considered to be forms of address, and b. they address the same thing (which is "one") then why not use the {qa-} ? maj ! DaH souvlakiameywIj vISop. qunnoH ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'